Jack Smith, not Judge Cannon, revealed dubious use of DC Grand Jury.

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  1. Noone

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    If he didn’t, it wasn’t for lack of trying.

    I thought he was referring to the carnival that IS tRaitor tRump and his entourage. Wherever he goes he goes it’s a circus, complete with side shows and carnies to fleece the pockets of his faithful.
     
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    Highlighted in red, I was being *funny*, at least in my mind!
    Agree with the circus. I would say it's the money, but I think the adulation is the true driver. He wants to be surrounded by people telling him in one way or form how awesome he is.
    Being born into fame and wealth, that's all he's known and has a fit when he doesn't get his way.
    Might work as a CEO in a business, but terrible for president, except for some certain situations.
    He only thinks of *self*, nothing else. Making a decision means what decision is best for *self*, not best decision for all. His only thought of best decision for all is how it's going to make him look. People mistakenly think he thinks about the MAGA group and the only reason he says and does much of that is for their adulation, not because he truly wants to make things better. If it's easier to create an illusion, that's fine because he really doesn't have the commitment to do something for someone besides self.
    IMO
     
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  3. dairyair

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    Biden does NOT.
    Biden is president.
    Not the law enforcement.
    Those duties should be separate, for the reason many trump cult members claim.
    Weaponization.
     
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    Truth according to a racist?
    Yep, real people will be afraid of that.
    And look to end it.
     
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    You showed your hand a little too much here I’m afraid. But you had me going for a while.
     
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    And the experts say that even though we have a law on the books that applies to one individual, regarding documents, that law doesn't apply here? We have the PRA. It's not like any other law that I'm aware of. It applies to one single citizen of the US. Are you aware of any other law that only applies to one person?

    You, and Jack Smith, are saying with a straight face, that although Congress passed a law exclusively pertaining to the documents of one man, that law doesn't apply to these documents. It would be a comical view of the law if Smith's indictments didn't represent knives in the heart of our democracy.
     
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    I think you need to understand what the PRA is and is not. For starters, it clearly defines was are government records and what are personal records. It also states that the moment the person leaves office, they no longer are in control of those documents, the NARA is. I know this because I had to do this when I retired from my job, making sure all my documents, including government business emails, were properly secured to the proper authorities. Trump should have done the same thing. But he even admitted that he was "too busy" to go through and return the documents to the NARA. This is by definition an admission of guilt in which he acknowledged he knowingly had government documents in his possession at the time of the interview.

    The PRA does not apply to one man, nor does it apply exclusively to the President of the United States. It pretty much applies to any and all federal employees who have access to classified documents.

    The President of the United States has the sole responsibility to differentiate what is personal and what is government as defined by the PRA. He does not make that choice and he does not get to decide what is personal and what is not. It must follow the legal definitions of what is government documents and what is personal documents. And the special counsel did that already, returning some personal effects back to Trump, but it was not the Letter from Kim Jung Un or a TSSCI document. Those are clearly government documents.
     
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    Oh, my.
    Imagine the conman's fundraising grifting if he's indicted for fundraising grifting? lol
    Sydney Powell using "election fraud" money to pay scammers Cyber Ninja to break into voting machines.

    Jack Smith has BIG SURPRISE for Trump and it’s DEVASTATING

    Sep 11, 2023
    The DC Grand Jury under Special Counsel Jack Smith is back in session and investigating Trump’s fraudulent use of fundraising dollars to pay to break into election equipment and computers in 4 battleground states. Find out from Michael Popok of Legal AF whether the grand jury’s September 15 expiration date will be extended by the Chief Judge and whether a new superseding indictment —Trump’s 5th— is due anytime soon.'



     
  9. AmericanNationalist

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    This is borderline getting ridiculous. It was all the same criminal activity. Roll it up into a single count, and stop wasting time. Not merely the defendant's, but all of the grand juries means multiple citizens having to hear the evidence, etc as they are empaneled as a grand jury.
     
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    What 'count" and who should be indicted on that "single count" ?
     
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    Isn't it all the same, obstruction of justice, tampering, etc for Donald Trump? The point is, Trump shouldn't be served for every count(especially in this unique circumstance. Let's presume he gets convicted in all 7 States, are they gonna pass him around, spending jail time in facilities across the 7 states?)

    It's reaching the height of absurdity. If he's been charged more than anyone else(and everyone has confirmed he has), it's because we're reaching laughable proportions here.
     
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    I see what you mean.
    It's like charging a multi-state serial killer with first degree murder in only one state and not the 6 other states he killed a person in.

    Which state would get the honor of inditing the murderer?

    The one where he strangled the victim?
    The one where he shot the victim?
    The one where he tortured the victim to death?
    The one where he raped then strangled the victim?
    The one were he cut the victim in pieces?
    The one where he poisoned the victim?
    The one where he buried the victim alive?
     
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    Roll it up into a single “misc crime” count? That sounds like a 2nd grader came up with that idea.
     
  14. Izzy

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    Is that why he has yet to choose which of the 7 states the serial killer should be indicted in?
    lol
     
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    Now IF, and right now it's still an IF, the Trump campaign paid people to try and break into voting machines and used donations or campaign funds to do so, then what is their defense ?

    Deny it happened ?
    Claim it was a legit activity ? If so, under what authority ?
    And if campaign funds were used, under whose authority were the payments made ?
    What did Trump know and when? and does it even matter if the actions were done to further his campaign ?
     
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    Intent? lol


    Trump directly involved in plans to seize voting machines
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    Reuters
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    Feb 1, 2022 — Then-President Donald Trump was directly involved in efforts to use national security agencies to seize voting machines after his 2020 ...


    Trump's never-issued order for DoD to seize voting ...
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    Military Times
    https://www.militarytimes.com › news › 2022/07/13

    Jul 13, 2022 — A draft executive order by then-President Donald Trump and his allies that would have directed the Pentagon to confiscate voting machines ...
     

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