"Jamaica hods rally to stop gay agenda"- note quotes of title

Everything you are saying having nothing to do with what you originally quoted me on, that is where I am lost.

 

the ballot referendum was 7 years ago. polls show a majority now support it. and 3 states legalized same sex marriage via referendum in the last election. So yea, the united states now supports same sex marriage. It's recognized at the federal level, and 20 states.

 

I think he's saying that during Prop 8, the courts overturned the will of the people, who did not want to legalize gay marriage.

 

If you really believe that the majority of people in the United States support homosexuality or gay marriage you are living in denial.

The fact that you have to compare a ballot referendum that was shot down in liberal California to "polls" is ridiculous. I can make any poll say anything I want.

Even more, the fact that you believe 20 is a majority of 50 and that you ignore that many of those decisions to legalize were at the hand of a governor or court and not by referendum proves you are living in la la land.

I love how liberals manipulate the system, squash the will of the people, and use back door methods to achieve their agenda and then have the audacity to claim that the majority of people align.

 

Exactly.

Seems kind of silly to claim that the majority of people align with and support the homosexual lifestyle while simultaneously ignoring facts.

 

Oh really?

Nation-wide support for same-sex marriage is at 55%. Among young people it is nearly 80%.

59% of Americans say gay and lesbian relations are morally acceptable.

The only one in denial is you, and that is why your side will lose.

 

feel free to cite a poll showing im wrong.

you seem to not understand statistics or how polling works.

strawman. I said 3 states legalized it via referendum in the last election, and pointed out that 20 states now legalize it, and it's recognized at the federal level no matter what state you live in.

civil rights are not subject to the "will of the people". citizen can no more vote to enslave their neighbor nor can they vote to deny same sex couples the civil right of marriage. that's why every ban that has been to court has been ruled unconstitutional.

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lol, I'm sure you can't grasp the irony

 

I didn't realize California = All of the USA. lmao As if.

 

Do you think that using the court system to fight an unjust law is a 'back door method'?

Conservatives file law suits all the time seeking to overturn laws that they don't approve of- San Francisco's gun ban was overturned by a Federal court- you don't see me whining about how Conservatives always use the back door.....

 

You have polls, I have referendums put up for vote.

To be fair, I'm pro gay marriage.

My point only being that the presumption that the majority of Americans support the homosexual lifestyle is simply false.

 

Do I think attempting to change a law via referendum based on the opinions of the majority of people and THEN using the judicial system to force change... then yes.

 

How many states have legalized?

Less than half?

Hmmm. Do you understand what majority means?

 

Sure, less than half but the domino effect is continuing. State after state is striking down anti-same sex marriage legislation because courts have already determined that marriage is an individual right (which majority people don't get to vote on, soooryyyy!) and no party has yet proved that there is any legitimate interest in denying same sex couples from marrying each other and of course pursuing happiness as per their Constitutional rights.

What will you be saying when it is more than half? Or when it it is 49 states out of 50? Then what?

 

that is a very good question about what will be saying

With homosexuals, does one always need assume the feminine role and the other the masculine role? If so, then we would say "husband and wife", wouldn't we?

 

Except it's demonstrably true.

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Civil rights are not subject to popular vote. That's why every ban challenged has bee ruled unconstitutional.

 

Sorry you don't appreciate our Constitution.

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Do you understand what the Constitution means?

 

Nah, they can just be called whatever they want to be. They will let you know if you ask them.

 

So you admit you were wrong. Thanks for admitting that.

So we have went from a discussion of "majority support", to it "not being the majority but being on track to being the majority" and "who cares what the majority thinks, the court is all that matters."

My point at the very beginning was.. no the majority isn't with the homosexual movement. Thanks for agreeing with me.

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My point had nothing to do with the Constitution.

It had to do with majority support of the homosexual lifestyle.

Don't go moving the goal posts now.

 

And the majority now support same sex marriage. I'm sorry you don't like that, but it's demonstrably true.

 

The jury is still out.

 

Uh yeah, exactly. Perhaps this guy has not seen any recent Gallup polls on the subject. lol

Not that it matters whether or not the majority supports it. Our civil rights are not a subject for the majority to decide.

 

And again- I am sorry you don't support the Constitution.

 

Your point is dead wrong, because all polls show that the majority of Americans find homosexuality to be morally acceptable. The polls I give you are current. You have not even offered any referendum data, and I guarantee it will be outdated relative to the polls. Furthermore, in the last election, where referendums will more accurately reflect attitudes, Washington, Maine, and Maryland all voted to legalize same-sex marriage. Minnesota voters rejected a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. So even your referendum argument is nonsense.

In addition to that, referendums on same-sex marriage show support or lack thereof for same-sex marriage. They do not answer the question of whether or not Americans find homosexuality morally acceptable. The best way to gauge that specific question is in fact through polling data.

The reality is that the majority of Americans see homosexuality as morally acceptable. The facts are right there in your face, but you refuse to believe it and prefer to keep your head in the sand.

 

Are you in favor of living under a Tyranny where the majority vote decides on people's basic Civil Rights?

 

It isn't.