Jim Jefferies Stand Up Comedian On Gun Control

It was funny and he is a comedian but he wasn't accurate. I took up the gauntlet because the starts out with an attitude and you've been all up and down this road. Who cares about what Aussies attitudes are and the post was directed towards Americans.

 

Correct, it was the 4th largest not the largest as stated by the comedian which was exactly what I was attempting to point out and show you anti-gunners that you can't start a conversation about interesting points if your source is a comedian and factually inaccurate. However it does appear to be a source for the intellectual argument of the anti movement, eh?

See there ya go...a comedian tells you that the second amendment sole purpose was to form....blah blah blah and it's a fact to you. In spite of overwhelming evidence from quotes by the founding fathers to the contrary and a supreme court decision that says gun ownership is a right unconnected with the militia. You probably should expand your horizons a touch....or not!

Really, you equate our military and government to the likes of China? WOW I'm not worried about the military shooting anything at us, heck they come from the same places the citizens do....again....expand your horizons....your comedian is funny but not factual. Sheesh!

I said rifles not guns, because your factually inaccurate comedian was referencing the emotionally laden "assault rifle" as a self defense weapon. How ignorant is that?

Sorry Charlie, more anti-gun rhetoric that is not true. Many many thousands are successfully repelled using fire arms, but hey if it were only hundreds, who are you to condemn them to die because from the other side of the pond you believe a comedian and the anti-gun rhetoric. You gun laws ain't doing to great a job at stopping the killings either, maybe you should tend that garden.

I own guns for more than hunting and lots of people here already have no problem with that...matter of fact a majority don't. You should just worry about your country, ours has no problem with us owning them for any reason and even unsecured.

Nope wrong again....you should do a little studying of America instead of just swallowing the anti-gun emotionally charged rhetoric. It's all guns OH and our forefathers had no idea about tv, radio, internet either, does that mean we shouldn't apply freedom of speech to them as well. They have you hook line and sinker don't they?

Holy Batpoop Batman!!!!!!, where did you get that idea....you should probably provide some proof of those statistics, eh?

There are more guns prevalent because there are more people and more stabbings, and muggings, and car accidents, and beatings, and domestic violence, and robberies, what was your point? We have a crime problem not a gun problem, there is a huge difference.

No they don't that's you projecting.

Nope you haven't and there is a good reason for that!

Nope they want more than that, read Feinstein's proposal.

[/quote] - the hint is right there in the name, they are specifically designed modern weapons, intended for the most effective killing capacity of specifically humans, possible.[/quote] Except that the media gave them the name "assault weapons" to most of us they are semi auto rifles, much like the very same high capacity semi auto rifles they are not trying to ban, the same ones you would allow through following the emotional rant but with no logical reasoning

No I won't. The gun is an inanimate object incapable of killing anyone on it's own. People kill, control their behavior first, then we'll talk.

We own them because like all the rest of the bill of right engrained in our history it is an enumerated right....the government has no right to take them. We also recognize the problem isn't the gun, it's the evil in mans heart.

 

Great, and you still have a crime problem and America now has more guns and less crime.

 

Nice statistics...I just don't believe em all, Canada has gun murders, Canada has non gun murders, Canada has violent crimes. I don't think your laws are working either. What do they teach you Canadians about firearms safety, do you people even know how to use a gun? Yup we do have the most guns and violent crime is steadily decreasing according to the FBI. I like them stats just fine and we are a civilized nation.

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Yes he is funny and I wasn't critical of him....it's the brain washed masses that hold up what he says as factual.

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More emotional responses without any real solutions, eh?

 

I find it funny how none of the pro gun people mentioned anything about the facts I posted and disected everyone else's. They probably can't stand the fact that someone with a Canadian firearms liscence, an unbiased opinion and some guns tells them that maybe they should have some restrictions on theirs and maybe kids wouldnt be dying. Children between the ages of 5 and 14 in the United States are 17 times more likely to be murdered by firearms than children in any other industrialized nation. There's some more good ol' American irresponsibility.

 

Nope, how about we enforce the thousands of laws we have that the gubberment ignores, how about we punish criminals, how about we recognize evil will do what evil wants inspite of laws. Here's a biggie....let's let everyone who wants to have an arm to defend themselves because a proven fact is that the gubberment cannot!

 

- the hint is right there in the name, they are specifically designed modern weapons, intended for the most effective killing capacity of specifically humans, possible.[/quote] Except that the media gave them the name "assault weapons" to most of us they are semi auto rifles, much like the very same high capacity semi auto rifles they are not trying to ban, the same ones you would allow through following the emotional rant but with no logical reasoning

No I won't. The gun is an inanimate object incapable of killing anyone on it's own. People kill, control their behavior first, then we'll talk.

We own them because like all the rest of the bill of right engrained in our history it is an enumerated right....the government has no right to take them. We also recognize the problem isn't the gun, it's the evil in mans heart.[/QUOTE]

Oh Christ, a broken down argument without and validity, ok, here we go;
1. My source isn't a comedian, I never said it was the largest - that was somebody else. 4th largest, largest, who cares, it's was 35 innocent lives- and that's more than any american shooting; as I said.
2. Let me quote your Slave-Owing Demi-gods: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Pretty well Militia-oriented wouldn't you think? So... yeah, if you're gonna go with the Supreme court thing, just look at all my other points.
3. HAHAHAHA, you just disproved your, and millions of other Redneck Americans sole reasoning for the continued possession of their pea-shooters "WOW I'm not worried about the military shooting anything at us". Might want to re-think that statement.
4. Ok, guns then, nobody's arguing about semantics here.
5. "Many, many thousands"? Huh? Where'd you get that stat? Your a*s perhaps? "Nationwide, there are about 100 burglary-homicides every year." (http://www.theatlantic.com/national...-the-irrational-fear-of-home-invasion/266613/) (read the whole article for further evidence against it).
6. You should worry about your own country blah blah blah - as I stated before, my Wife is Michiganian, and I go back to her hometown twice a year, so I'll worry all I want mate. Also, did you watch the video?
7. "http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/" There you go.
8. Yeah, I was talking in a Per-Capita respect to start with, and yeah, your "Ultra-Violent" country (Paraphrased from your rhetoric) wouldn't really need anymore guns... as they don't seem to be defending you all from "and more stabbings, and muggings, and car accidents, and beatings, and domestic violence, and robberies".
9. You didn't know that everyone hates America? Wow, you must still be in your mother's Ultra-Patriotic womb with confederate flags and statues of Roosevelt floating around inside. Let's get some Non-Americans in here that love America to prove me wrong.
10. Yeah, Texas "style", could be Washington State or Claifornia - they haven't happened anywhere (And for good reason).
11. Who cares mate, Semi-Auto rifles then.
12. Oh, here we go "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" They've been saying that since the bloody Nixon days, and my response to that is "But they make it awfully easy to, don't they".
13. The Government doesn't have the right to take them, because somebody that was in government said so over two hundred years ago, and the power of god was guiding his hand as he wrote that law... And after he wrote it, he went out and watched his slaves toil in the heat... as god wanted him to.

 

Annnnnd we've reduced ourselves to gibberish and non-related drivel because you have no logic with which to back up your argument. I can go all day mate.

 

Except that the media gave them the name "assault weapons" to most of us they are semi auto rifles, much like the very same high capacity semi auto rifles they are not trying to ban, the same ones you would allow through following the emotional rant but with no logical reasoning

No I won't. The gun is an inanimate object incapable of killing anyone on it's own. People kill, control their behavior first, then we'll talk.

We own them because like all the rest of the bill of right engrained in our history it is an enumerated right....the government has no right to take them. We also recognize the problem isn't the gun, it's the evil in mans heart.[/QUOTE]

Were you going to actually respond to my facts or go off on another emotional diatribe, cause I ain't writing another factual response to you in the form of a book. Please use some facts.

PS use quote in brackets before your intended quote and /quote in brackets after (really just trying to be helpful)

Thanks

 

Sorry missed this in my last post..

Yeah but on average we have waaaaaayyy less than you. So obviously our laws our better than yours simply because our numbers are lower. We obviously know how to use guns on average better than you. Your firearms safety is probably your uncle jed taking you out back and shooting an old reindeer christmas decoration "there ya go little jimbo, that theres the trigger and outta here comes a bullet and theres a safety on there somewhurs go ahead I'll be right back just gotta drive to town to get sommore whiskay!"
It's actually a miracle that your alive to post with us on this message board when you think about it. You beat the odds!

You have the most guns, the most gun deaths and the most violent crime! In fact reports from your very FBI show that since 2013 your violent crime rate has been increasing again, not long before good ol' Murica is back up to its 2008 numbers. Hope you don't turn into a statistic Jimbo!

 

"Many many thousands of home invasions are successfully repelled using fire arms" *cough* *cough*. And yeah, I'm literally swimming in my own tears and other ejected bodily fluids mate, could you chuck me a paddle? Getting so emotional as to why you're avoiding all my valid posts... Must be all the estrogen their pumping into the water supply... oh wait, it's you that's the raving paranoiac, not me.

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Sorry, I'll get a handle on this quote thing.

 

What didn't I respond to? I responded to everything... Please tell me what I'm not responding to and what non-facts I'm presenting. Be specific.

 

LOL so you are better because you kill less....WOW, I think you need to do some house cleaning before you worry about America, eh?

Really cause I think you are wrong. Is your crime rate currently going down, staying the same or going up? Just curious.

LOL gotta love it when all you anti-gunners got is attempts at insults, lacking any real proof I guess it's all the anti-gun crowd can resort to.

I like it when y'all from up north post...it goes to prove that insults are all you have.

Whoa my goodness, violent crimes equals gun crimes...Hope you don't turn into a statistic Jimbo, eh?

You have nothing with any proof, which you said you would provide. I still think all the anti-gun crowd has is emotional drivel, thanks for proving me correct.

 

1.In spite of overwhelming evidence from quotes by the founding fathers to the contrary and a supreme court decision that says gun ownership is a right unconnected with the militia.
2.Really, you equate our military and government to the likes of China? WOW I'm not worried about the military shooting anything at us, heck they come from the same places the citizens do
3.but hey if it were only hundreds, who are you to condemn them to die because from the other side of the pond you believe a comedian and the anti-gun rhetoric. You gun laws ain't doing to great a job at stopping the killings either, maybe you should tend that garden.
4.I own guns for more than hunting and lots of people here already have no problem with that...matter of fact a majority don't.
5.OH and our forefathers had no idea about tv, radio, internet either, does that mean we shouldn't apply freedom of speech to them as well.
6.Holy Batpoop Batman!!!!!!, where did you get that idea....you should probably provide some proof of those statistics, eh?
7.Nope they want more than that, read Feinstein's proposal.
8.We own them because like all the rest of the bill of right engrained in our history it is an enumerated right....the government has no right to take them. We also recognize the problem isn't the gun, it's the evil in mans heart.

Please respond to these

 

LOL all you got is cough cough...nice rebuttal with proof. All I see is emotion and no proof. Really you are boring...You tell me things like they are factual but you cannot prove one single thing you say. I rebuff you and you resort to this...Is this the best Australia can offer?

 

Yeah... *cough* *cough* in reference to your factual inadequacy. What's your obsession with emotion? Even if I posted my face streaming with tears does that nullify what I'm saying? And I responded to all those in my previous post, have you been struck down with amnesia? How about you respond to my responses, how about that hey? How about you stop dodging my facts. I've given you my opinion, I've given you my proof; now is your time to retort to it. And to reference the word "Patriot" and similar in modern philosophical quotes: "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein and "Patriotism is, fundamentally, a conviction that a particular country is the best in the world because you were born in it..." - George Benard Shaw - in reference to your Signature.

 

1. My source isn't a comedian, I never said it was the largest - that was somebody else. 4th largest, largest, who cares, it's was 35 innocent lives- and that's more than any american shooting; as I said.
2. Let me quote your Slave-Owing Demi-gods: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Pretty well Militia-oriented wouldn't you think? So... yeah, if you're gonna go with the Supreme court thing, just look at all my other points.
3. HAHAHAHA, you just disproved your, and millions of other Redneck Americans sole reasoning for the continued possession of their pea-shooters "WOW I'm not worried about the military shooting anything at us". Might want to re-think that statement.
4. Ok, guns then, nobody's arguing about semantics here.
5. "Many, many thousands"? Huh? Where'd you get that stat? Your a*s perhaps? "Nationwide, there are about 100 burglary-homicides every year." (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...vasion/266613/) (read the whole article for further evidence against it).
6. You should worry about your own country blah blah blah - as I stated before, my Wife is Michiganian, and I go back to her hometown twice a year, so I'll worry all I want mate. Also, did you watch the video?
7. "http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/" There you go.
8. Yeah, I was talking in a Per-Capita respect to start with, and yeah, your "Ultra-Violent" country (Paraphrased from your rhetoric) wouldn't really need anymore guns... as they don't seem to be defending you all from "and more stabbings, and muggings, and car accidents, and beatings, and domestic violence, and robberies".

If you forgot.

 

I never said we were better Jimbo, I said our LAWS are better. Holy crap do we have to send you to a reading safety course too? Be careful and don't concentrate to hard on the words, you might hurt yourself. Anyways here's your info Jimbo..

The homicide rate in Canada peaked in 1976 at 3.03 per 100,000 and has dropped since then; it reached lower peaks in 1985 (2.72) and 1991 (2.69). It reached a post-1970 low of 1.73 in 2003. The average murder rate between 1977 and 1983 was 2.67, between 1984 and 1990 it was 2.41, between 1991 and 1997 it was 2.23 and between 1998 to 2004 it was 1.82. The attempted homicide rate has fallen at an even faster rate than the homicide rate!
Now the real cool thing about that Jimbo is in 1977, Bill C-51 was passed which required firearms acquisition certificates (FACs) to purchase any firearm, and introduced controls on the selling of ammunition. Applicants were required to pass a basic criminal record check before receiving the FAC and In 1991, Bill C-17 was introduced, coming into force between in 1992. It required FAC applicants to pass a safety course in addition to a thorough background check, and to wait a minimum of 28 days after applying before an FAC could be issued. It also created new Criminal Code offences, new definitions for prohibited and restricted weapons, and new regulations for firearms dealers. It increased penalties for firearm-related crimes. It clearly outlined regulations for firearms storage, handling and transportation.
Since then we have had a long gun registry but that got abolished recently.

So now we start to see a comparison so to speak. Once we initiate some Gun Control the homicide rate drops significantly. From 1977 to 2003 Canada firearm homicide has declined from 1.15 to 0.5 per 100,000, which is where we get our initial statistics from this conversation.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=109420
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2011001/article/11561-eng.htm#a4

In more recent years, America as a country still typically has higher violent crimes rates. In 2012, the homicide rate in the USA was 4.7 per 100,000 residents Canada's was 3 times lower at 1.6.
Here's some information about strangers shooting you, which is usually the defence most gun owners use so they can keep their guns.

Your chances of being murdered at random are extremely low in both countries. In Canada, only 15% of murders are committed by strangers, in America this number is very similar at 14%, meaning in 50 years your chance of being murdered at random is 0.000128% in Canada, in the USA it is 0.000329%
In fact chances are if you do get shot it's going to be someone in your own family that does so.

Here's some more info if you can even get this far without giving up
Firearm homicides occur 440% more in the USA (2.7) than in Canada (0.5). In the USA, you are 3 times more likely to die being shot (17.4%) then being stabbed (5.3%)
http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/guns/archive/knives/msg00000.html

If you can't find all the information in the links, remember to use the reading skills they taught you in Reading Safety Class Jimbo!

 

Wouldn't it be nice if you just answered some of my questions first. Sheesh! Because you have no facts, no real solution, you have emotion, you post inaccuracies and expect us to accept them as fact. How about you give me a post where you ask a question so you can actually learn from an American instead of a comedian? Finally your opinions don't really matter much here, you don't have a say in our rights and you are free to do whatever you want to in your country. BTW neither Albert nor George was a founding father nor an author of the constitution. their opinions really have no weight since neither wasn't under colonial rule or British control. Think I'll stick with MY countries founding fathers beliefs rather than believe in some living constitution y'all like to preach. I think the FF did just fine, eh?

 

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?"
Patrick Henry, American Patriot

Yes, yes are and no, no you cannot.

 

It reflects the comedian's views or did you miss that?

 

Jesus H F'ing Christ, I answered every one - point out the one's I failed to answer, if I didn't give an answer - really. If you're going to ask for something, then give it back - answer me as to all my points... it's like your blind. And point out the inaccuracies - even one, and I'll source it for you. I never said anything about Jim's routine, and previously, when I did, I simply sated his remarks, then constructed an argument, with proof regarding them (and they were good points, from a comedian or not, all of a sudden his employment influences the validity of his statements). Aaaaaand, my opinion doesn't matter, well how about you (As a supporter of the U.S Military) and your Amazing Country, get out of all International affairs, (Including you Marines base in the North of Australia), stop harassing other nations and think about your own 16-trillion dollar debt for a moment (Cutting the 1 Trillion Military budget would be a start). And because those I quoted weren't under British colonial rule, neither were they American, of course their opinion mattered none, did it? The Founding Fathers were a bunch of fools, and just like the leaders of the Confederation; they were slave-owning, idiotic Christians, who believed in a man in the sky, and all of the contradictions of which that silly book contained (and I've opened another can of worms - if you wish to debate theology - we can move to that particular Topic - Forum). And I'm festering in a pit I've dug into the ground, my own tears seeping back into my supple skin and on the verge of vomiting on accord of my emotional state of dealing with a American Redneck - you better believe it partner.

 

My apologies I mistakenly thought you were talking to me and not about the video. Either way you should read some of the information I posted above.

 

There is so much awesome in this post.

 

but you are preaching changing our laws when you still have what we have, how completely and utterly ridiculous is that? You should fix your issues first then worry about others, Glass houses and all LOL!
{quote] Holy crap do we have to send you to a reading safety course too?[/quote] No but reading comprehension from our neighbors to the north would be nice.....just once. Holy Crap!!

I await with baited breath!

Great Jimbo but the FBI semi annual uniform crime data for the first half of 2013 confirms once again what the firearms community already knew, that violent crime has continued to decline while gun sales have continued to climb Murders declined 6.9 percent from the first half of 2012, while aggravated assaults dropped by 6.6 percent nationwide and robberies were down 1.8 percent. Forcible rapes declined 10.6 percent from the same period in 2012 and overall, violent crime fell by 10.6 percent in non-metropolitan counties and 3.6 percent in metropolitan counties. Don't care about your stats, mine say....gun ownership is good, eh?

All the while gun ownership in the US increases and violent crimes decrease....you have a point about American gun ownership?

violent crimes or gun crimes...There is a difference Jimbo...do you need reading safety classes again?

This is an extremely stupid stat, one used by an emotionally driven anti-gun group. If we extrapolate this out, why would most of us need a hammer, a saw, car insurance, home owners insurance, locks on our doors, and the list goes on and on. You guys need to lose this one...it dies of irrelevancy.

Wrong, and laughably wrong. your and my crime stats prove that....do you just throw any old anti-gun rhetoric out?

LOL you are a google ranger eh? Oct/5/1993? Please try to find more current stats for our discussion. Matter of fact, this is the perfect definition of grasping at straws. WOW!

LOL Jimbo, I don't need reading safety skills classes to understand that a google range was desperate and found a 1993 post to try and support his antiquated position. The rest of what you post is now extremely suspect.