http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...s-to-lay-down-its-weapons-20140805-story.html Once again we have the self appointed decider of what is and is not a legitimate democracy declaring Hamas legitimate. According to Mr. Carter a legitimate political actor is one that wins and election and them proceeds to exterminate all political opposition ensuring their reelection ad infinitum. Hamas exterminated all political rivals in Gaza after winning election, specifically Fatah. And Mr. Carter calls this a legitimate political actor, in other words a legitimate democratically elected government. It is of no loss to me that the idea winning one election, exterminating your opposition, and installing a faux democracy one party rule is a wet dream of the democrats. Scratch a socialist find you will always find a fascist. Come on all you liberals say it isn't true. Say you don't fantasize about exterminating your opposition and creating your "utopian democracy" just as Hamas has done in Gaza and just as your former president calls legitimate governance.
Evidently, Carter hasn't heard the old adage about Islamist theocrats that Hamas has predictably fulfilled: One man, one vote, one time. By the way, "progressives" don't need to fantasize about exterminating their enemies when they've got the IRS and other federal agencies to harass and neutralize them... .
You know, I consider myself a liberal. I support liberal issues, especially on social issues, and I typically vote democrat and every now and again vote republican. But I cannot for the life of me understand why the vast majority of liberals are opposed to Israel or take sides against their right to defend their own land. It's sickening to me and probably one of the few issues I really feel passionate about. If ANY western nation had to deal with half the (*)(*)(*)(*) Israel does, I can't imagine our response would be much better yet none of us would get even close to the amount of criticism. Hamas is a terrorist organization that garners support through making innocent civilians human shields and playing an excellent PR campaign. I will never understand the appeal to Europeans and liberal Americans like myself.
Umm...Hamas was elected quite some time ago by the Palestinians. So what makes them illegitimate at this point? I don't get it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html BTW, who was in office when this happened? - - - Updated - - - I'll never understand why anyone would support either side. Both are repugnant. Let them kill each other.
I visited Israel when I was 20 (I'm 25 now). My aunt is Jewish and she's worth millions of dollars, owns an accounting firm. And anyway she paid for me and a bunch of my cousins and relatives to fly there. I'm an atheist, always have been, I was born and raised in an atheist family. And the first thing I noticed about Israel was the lack of any bat-(*)(*)(*)(*) insane religitards. Upon my own research, I learned that over 40% of Israeli's are secular/non-religious/atheist with atheism contributing up to 20% of that total. Israel is a free, democratic nation that champions and welcomes gay rights, women's rights, Arab rights, religious rights, Palestinian rights, etc. They even have Arab Muslims serving in their government. Most of the younger people I talked to and met at bars, where drinking is legal unlike the rest of the middle east were liberals just like me who didn't care for religion. Israel is awesome. They turned a (*)(*)(*)(*) hole plot of land into a garden. I have nothing but respect for the Israeli's.
A legitimate democracy isn't one where you exterminate your political rivals after being elected to ensure perpetual reelection. Hamas exterminated all rivals in Gaza after winning election in 2006. Its is now a faux democracy of one party rule. Carter has repeatedly endorsed these oppressive faux democracies around the world as legitimate.
Kinda have to agree with Carter on this one. Also in order to read the rest of the story I need a membership so could you copy and paste the rest of the story here?
Same bozo who declared Huga Chavez' insanely corrupt election "fair", because he didn't "want any violence". Nothing is worth fighting for to Carter.
I'm not convinced that your statement is true. Granted, the usual crowd of liberal big-mouthed idiots are attempting to give the impression that liberals are against Israel defending itself by shouting louder than anyone else, but the polls certainly don't back them up. Poll: More Americans Sympathize With Israel So, if that NBC poll has any validity, the liberals you refer to are in the minority big-time.
Maybe it's because they speak the loudest, but the impression you get here and in Europe is that Israel = bad and Hamas = Freedom fighters fighting against oppression which is so far from the truth it's unbelievable. Hamas doesn't want peace with Israel, they want Israel gone by any means possible including genocide. If Hamas had their way they would kill every Jew they could.
So you would say the government of China or Russia for instance are illegitimate since they are faux democracies?
Here's the problem: Israel was created by taking land from Palestine against their will after WW2. Oops. There is a reason this is all going on. If someone came into your house and told you to get out because it belongs to someone else now, you'd be ****ed off too. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel Now, I don't see any way to resolve this situation anymore. But to claim Israel is all innocent and stuff, is just plain wrong. This conflict will never end until everyone in that part of the world is dead. It's been going on for far too long for anything to change.
Americans did this to Mexico. We did it to the native Americans too. Nations throughout history have been invaded and displaced by foreigners. Yet you don't see Mexicans launching rockets at San Diego through Tijuana. The Palestinian people need to get the (*)(*)(*)(*) over it and move on.
It's been a long time goal and Carter has been partial to anti Israeli Palestinian actors for some time now.
Nope- they just send us their unwanted citizens instead. And let's not forget the illegal drug trade. Would you? Look, I'm not taking sides here. I'm just explaining the situation. Apparently, the Palestinians are not going to "get the **** over it". It's been decades now. We need to get the hell out of there and quit wasting our time and money on something that will never change.
I was trying to see if you were applying a consistent definition for illegitimate governments. I guess that's what I get for asking for consistency and non-hypocrisy from a right winger.
He's optimistic. Hamas reminds the Northern Ireland and the period in which all efforts were concentrated and focused on disengaging the political Catholic movements from the terrorist ones [to make it simple Sinn Féin & IRA]. The difference is that in Gaza there isn't this distinction. It's not about HAMAS & FATAH, in that territory there is only Hamas and as for I know, I'm not aware that the core of that organization is political in the democratic sense, but its political in the armed sense [they prefer the conflict to the elections, to make it again simple].
