Job Losses Spike, 1/3 Can't Pay Rent, Depression Imminent

We don't have to sell abroad, we can sustain ourselves. Are you advocating slave labor so we can have cheap shirts?

 

1) Nurses and Teachers are in high demand, and my own nation has just halved the cost of degrees in these fields (plus others more suited to future employment demands). Volunteer work wouldn't be volunteer work if it was paid. Besides .. visiting nursing homes? That's the family's job. Why would you encourage a society which increasingly abandons its elderly to be 'cared for' by paid help?

2) What's 'poverty level'? The minimum wage of an old friend of mine, who policed that very modest income with a will of iron for 30 years, and as a result now owns a million dollars worth of investment properties? Or her colleague on the same money but who chose instead to rent in the big city and spend on 'fun', and as a result lives hand to mouth at age 55, still renting, and with absolutely no security for his retirement? Which one of these is 'poverty level'?

3) Nations can afford all sorts of things, but what no nation can afford is to feed and house the non-productive.

 

So don't use them. Go off grid, or don't use power.

Plenty of competition in phone providers.

 

No, this is what happens when private business is captured by the government.

 

they have bought laws to make it illegal not to have electric hooked up to ones house, even if you go solar, you still have to be connected to the grid and pay a base monthly fee

no real competition....

 

That can't be true. I thought America was all about liberty and such?

It's legal in my much more authoritarian nation. What gives?

 

We're not sufficient in raw materials and have to compete for what we need in world markets.

Oh, please.

 

Looks like I was right when I said leftists will do anything to get Trump.

 

We have always gotten some raw materials from world markets but we did the manufacturing here and we bought our own products.

Please what? You're saying you don't want cheap foreign products that pay skimpy wages?

 

LOL

I never mention supply side economics. You guys love your buzz words. Did you learn those at Bernie U?

You have obviously never owned a business.

 

You're talking about a century ago.

You can shop at a store that pays them higher wages. It's done with coffee.

 

How much has the US government spent on the war on poverty?

 

But you still would most likely be buying an import. You can't have made in America and made in Sri Lanka in the same market without tariffs. Those cheap products undercutting American products are what drove our base offshore.

 

Alright, I won't mention supply side economics.

Now, create a business that can make a profit while paying its employees better than poverty wages.

Otherwise get yourself an above-poverty job.

How simple is that?.....

A fortune, totally wasted because morale-destroying welfare ("sit-down money") fails to deal with the real problem which is a lack of living wage jobs.

The neoliberal system is a disaster; but you can have capitalism AND real (ie literally, not fake) full employment, with money creation in the public sector as well as the private sector when the private sector fails to deliver REAL full employment, which is always the case - see the NAIRU.

 

Oh it's super simples! Like everything in a perfect world.

Now,what sector of the economy are we talking about? Manufacturing, retail, restaurant, general labor.....

 

You missed the sarcasm in my use of the word "simple".

So I'll repeat: create a business that can make a profit while paying its employees above poverty wages.

And stop moaning about minimum wage regulations, FGS.

 

Okay but first you need to give me number.

 

Stop buying products from the country that brought Corona to the world

 

No-one is "non-productive" except maybe the producers of for-profit junk consumer goods.

All work which is beneficial to society is productive.

And there are sufficient resources available for all nations to house, clothe, feed AND productively/usefully employ everyone.
Exit the hated welfare system ("sit-down money").

In Australia, Noel Pearson, in conjunction with Bill Mitchell is working on a Job Guarantee for all, including aboriginal people.

That's the ONLY way the life-expectancy/incarceration gap will be closed.

 

Almost certainly. We consume far more coffee than we can produce.

We offshored what we could produce abroad. Consumers here paid less.

 

There are a lot of products here with significant foreign content you don't know about.

 

A living full-time wage (40hr/week)? Capable of enabling access to acceptable housing, fresh food, access to utilities and transport, education and training....

 

No company exists to simply do what you are demanding. Now please tell me how much one person should be paid to drop frozen potatoes into a fryer. Be specific.

 

Really? Companies exist to house and feed people?

 

1) On the contrary, we carry far too many non-productive people. As does America. They are not producing towards their own survival.

2) Advertising isn't productive. Hollywood isn't productive. Farming is. Education is. Medicine is. Technological development is.

3) EVERYONE will not agree to that compelled employment. You cannot make people work, when they are determined not to. Even threatening to exclude them from housing/food won't do it. Such people simply don't believe it's possible to starve, so they'll keep pushing the envelope forever. The very best and fairest thing we can do is a meritocracy. No one is excluded for accident of birth, and everyone has the same opportunities - to take or leave as they see fit. No one is forced to respond to those opportunities, but no one is prevented from taking them either. Nothing else is as equitable, just, kind, and humane. Welfare must continue though .. for short term relief in emergencies, and for the very old and disabled.

4) It's nice that they're going to organise jobs for all. Will be fun to see them rethink their fantasy model when they realise not everyone wants those jobs.

5) Incarceration is a result of crime. If you don't like being incarcerated, don't do crime. Short lifespans are a result of bad habits, not wealth. Want a long life? Be like the dirt poor Himalayan peasants - who do hard physical work all day every day, eat very little meat, don't drink or smoke, behave themselves, live in solid families/communities, and live til they're 100+