Julian Assange: "I'm Slowly Dying Here".

Bush Lawyer, I will give you a half apology. I get extremely frustrated when I feel people are being willfully stupid or intellectually dishonest. I feel like I explained this to you before, in two separate threads, and apparently you didn't listen to any of it.

Your comment also feels like a jibe against a victim, and against justice. Like you're one of those people who feel it is okay for them to use a false pretext to get him into custody to severely punish him for something else that is very controversial. Which thus appears to be a thinly veiled intellectual deception. Hence my anger.

Your quick comment also seemed to be made in the spirit of provoking, which would result in a derailment of this thread if I tried to rebut it. So it seemed unfair.

This whole Assange things has many complicated nuances, and it seems frustrating we can't focus on one part of it without all of it being brought up, and then these sort of threads inevitably tend to descend into confusion and we never get anywhere in discussion.
So maybe you can have some idea why I got so frustrated.

 

The bail charge, for which he did far more time than is usual was over long ago. It was just to allow the US to get their charges in. He is now being held in order that he can be extradited to the US with the argument he would skip the country if not in jail.

The Swedish charges were trumped up and only there in order to hold him in jail until they could get the US charges in.

It was a change of Government and bribes which was the reason for Julian against International law being handed over the British police. The wall smearing and other attacks you make of him I hear are made up though it is true that by the end of the time in the embassy he was suffering mental health problems.

He was also being secretly filmed by US when seeing lawyers in the Embassy- something for which there is a trial going on which could result in the demand for his release - this being illegal and having compromised his chance of a fair trial.

Over 100 Dr's have expressed their fear for his life and demanded Australia get involved to save their citizen. As Australia is headed the same way as the US and UK they have no interest and will soon be happy imprisoning their own journalists whenever they say something the Government does not like.

Given the result of the UK election. He will be extradited to the US. He would be even if he were to face the death penalty. The UK will probably be a police state soon.

There is no evidence for the hacking charges. The rest is what used to be called investigative journalism.

I am sorry you believe in what the UN after meeting him and appropriate investigations has said Julian is suffering - prolonged psychological torture and that you wish him more harm for reporting on your countries war crimes. I am sorry you do not believe in a free press and do not believe the people of a country have the right to know when they are committing war crimes. It is the reporting of the war crimes the US is destroying his life for. That is what the charges rest on,

 

I think I'm going to get frustrated with you now. There is good reason to believe the Swedish charges may not have been trumped up.

Again, I think I explained this to you in another thread. But you didn't seem to listen.

But again, we ARE NOT going to get into that here. I'm tired of having to bring up the Sweden conversation every time the subject of Assange comes up.

 

You can do whatever you want. That is the truth and has been shown here time upon time. I cannot remember the crazy thing you came up with but it was wrong.

 

Jeannette, just to add a bit more from the story, for those that didn't click the link.

Belmarsh is a Category A prison – the highest level in the UK penal system – intended for “highly dangerous” convicts and those likely to attempt escape, typically befitting murderers and terrorists. While Assange meets none of those criteria and was initially locked up for a minor offense of skipping bail, he was nonetheless thrown in Belmarsh and punished as if he were a violent, hardened criminal.

Now that ^^^ is strange and seems totally uncalled for.

Punitive much?

 

This is really frustrating. The entire situation seems too complex to easily be able to go into.

And it seems that many of you in this thread, both on the pro-Assange side and anti-Assange side don't seem to completely have all the facts, and are under some false assumptions.

And I don't want to talk about certain things, but you people seem to keep bringing them up.

So all I'm going to do in this thread is point out things that are wrong and not waste my time explaining them.
Maybe if you people actually stayed on topic I would actually address your points.
The topic of this thread is NOT just "Assange", it is more specific than that.

 

Are you saying that there wasn't sufficient evidence to obligate him to face the charges in Sweden?

 

We are not going to talk about that here. But I started a thread specifically about it if you want to discuss that aspect of the story.
Assange Accusations in Sweden

 

If you're referring to the sexual assault allegation(s), he wasn't cleared of charges because of innocence on his part. There where two women that had made allegations of rape and sexual assault during a his visit to Stockholm in 2010. Assange didn't want to be extradited to Sweden so his lawyers argued to have the case tried in London. He had exhausted every legal avenue in his attempt to avoid his extradition to Sweden. Then his Swedish problem appeared to go away, thanks simply to the passage of time, the statute of limitations expired, and in 2017, Sweden’s chief prosecutor said she was dropping her investigation into the outstanding allegation of rape after concluding there was no practical way of continuing.

Here is the timeline: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11949341

Assange was given political asylum in the Ecuador embassy simply by walking up their stairs and ringing the doorbell. He certainly became an unwanted guest. Julian Assange had been pursuing a legal action against the Ecuadorian government, accusing it of violating his rights by introducing strict new house rules for living at the embassy. They tolerated his bullshit for seven long years while he carried on with WikiLeaks and doing live interviews with men like Sean Hannity.

He's a rich guy and could afford great lawyers. His hacking and leaks wasn't journalism, it was a channel for journalists. Real journalists sort out information from multiple sources and vet every source as well as they could. Assange is nothing more than a documents dumper. Conspiring to steal documents is a crime, which Assange may or may not have done. But it does not matter, because in the US, the First Amendment gives journalists only a tiny margin more rights than the First Amendment gives to everyone else. In other words, it’s not like he can break a law and get away with it if he’s classified as a journalist and not get away with it if he’s not classified as a journalist. It has been pretty evident that it's been overdo that a court clearly defines what a 'Fifth estate' such as WikiLeaks is, and whether or not it reaches beyond the boundaries of the law.

 

Julian understands something about the US better than you, and he doesn't even live here.

What he understands that you don't is that the US criminal justice system is the modern day equivalent of a Star Chamber. One step removed from the 'legal system' of the Inquisition.

He is a heretic in your view, for speaking the truth in public. Heresy is punishable by death here in the land of the censored and home of the indoctrinated. If that death can involve years of torture, so much the better.

 

The embassy wasn't bad before a new government took over. Assange was allowed to see and talk to people but afterwards the situation worsened. They lied about him dirtying the walls so as to discredit him, and now he's in solitary confinement in a maximum security prison. So much for the British justice system - not to mention our own.

 

Julian Assange: "I'm Slowly Dying Here".

Perhaps he can figure out how to speed it up.

 

This is what they want people to believe, and no doubt the reason Ecuador suffered a regime change and why an American puppet was installed. From then on Assange went through hell, and they did everything they could to discredit him and turn the public against him.

I mean come on, we're talking about the same governments that created a propaganda arm called the White Helmets for the Al Nusra terrorists. They were even nominated for the Noble Peace Prize when they're selling body parts of the ones they're supposedly saving.

 

Beautifully said!

Heresy was a threat to the State in Spain, and they were given to the State to be punished - as is our modern heretic Assange.

I know Miloshevik suffered in jail for years at the Hague and was ready to prove his innocence in court when he died. But letting the world know that we went to war and killed thousands in Serbia under false pretenses was not in our interests, so they killed him. It was proven later in the autopsy.

 

Whereas he was thriving while he locked himself inside the Ecuadorian embassy, smearing **** on the walls, for several years?

Give us a break.

 

Sweden has very strange laws on rape, so I wouldn't pay attention to them. I think the problem was that if he went to Sweden they would extradite him to the US - which he didn't want.

I wonder though, had he been brought here and gone to court, there would have been an immense amount of publicity, so I'm not sure it's something our government would want. Maybe he should have come, but could he risk it?

 

So, because you claim that Sweden has 'very strange laws on rape' (whatever that means) then two women who have claimed 1. rape and 2. sexual assault, should not be believed?

 

I have news for you. All those lies popped up to discredit Assange when an American puppet was installed in Ecuador. What happened upset the Ecuadorian people, who prided themselves on the humane sanctuary given to Assange before the installation of their new government. Probably due to one of our regime change enterprises.

 

You shouldn't accuse people of lying without evidence. The guy was trapped in that place for years. Anyone would go a little insane living like that.

 

You have to wonder if a number of folks here are enduring something similar--at least judging by their posts.

 

Julian Assange: "I'm Slowly Dying Here"

You know what, I am not much troubled by that statement. Couldn't happen to a nicer *******.

Extradition requests do require some presentation of evidence to convince the host country to send the prisoner to the accusing country. It is not a finding of guilt or innocence, it is not even an indictment. It is only a finding that the accusing country has reasonable cause for the action. As there are many similarities and foundational basis in law between the USA and the UK, none of this is at all unusual.

This "confirmation in a court of law" stuff is indeed nonsensical and meaningless in legal terminology. When it reaches a trial the attorneys will argue on the evidence, the judge will rule on evidence, and finally the jury will decide.

All in due time.

 

In the meantime they're holding him in solitary confinement, drugging him up and refusing to allow doctors to examine him. Looks like a death sentence to me.

What we were once,
has ceased to be,
for times have changed now,
can't you see?

The flag that once
waved high and true
is now all worn,
forlorn and blue.

And mourns for days
when we had pride
of noble words and not of lies.

Pity us! - Jeannette.

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I feel raped as it is defined under Swedish law by your comments.

 

First of all the women might have been paid off. Also what is considered rape in Sweden is not considered rape in other countries, so even if they are telling the truth, which is highly doubtful considering the circumstances, as a foreigner Assange might not have been aware of the specifics in the Swedish law.

 

If he comes to the US, there are probably top lawyers ready to represent him and the publicity is not exactly what my government would want. So Britain in order to accommodate Washington, would want him either dead from maltreatment, or so mentally unstable that he would not be able to testify.