Jury says Trump has to pay $5 million to woman who accused him of rape

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M (wtae.com)

A jury has awarded $5 million to a woman who accused Trump of raping her in a lawsuit.

There was no evidence that this rape happened, other than the woman claims that it happened.

The jury was in New York City.

Trump is, of course, the former U.S. President and is very rich.

The woman who's accusing him, Elizabeth Jean Carrol, is a New York journalist and former advice column writer.

Her first accusations against Trump appeared in June 2019 in an article she wrote for New York magazine. She claimed that the rape happened in late 1995 or early 1996. (Apparently she couldn't remember exactly when)
At the same time she released a book titled What Do We Need Men For?: A Modest Proposal. In the book she gave further details of that encounter, and alleged that another very wealthy media executive, Leslie Roy Moonves, had also raped her.

Trump publicly called her a liar. In response she tried to sue him for defamation.

On November 24, 2022, Carroll sued Trump for battery in New York under the Adult Survivors Act, a state law passed in May that same year, which allows sexual assault victims to file civil suits regardless of expired statutes of limitations. Some have suspicions this law may have been passed specifically to go after Trump.
(see thread: New York eliminates statute of limitations for sexual crimes )

So she was suing him, trying to get money, over a sexual assault that she alleges happened 24 years ago.

The jury, consisting of 6 men and 3 women, found Trump liable for sexual assault, battery and defamation against Carroll. However they declined to find him liable for rape.

Some may recall Trump's off-the-record conversation with Access Hollywood television host Billy Bush, which was recorded without Trump's knowledge.
The judge allowed these past comments Trump made as "evidence" in this lawsuit.

"I'm automatically attracted to beautiful women... I just start kissing them, it's like a magnet... Just kiss... I don't even wait... And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."
Billy Bush responding: "... whatever you want."
"Grab 'em by the p(*)(*)(*)y..."

 

What a strange thread....if entirely predictable. Trump is being instructed to pay money to a woman who a jury found was sexually assaulted and publically defamed by Trump. It is right there in the verdict. Even right wingers should be capable of reading that much.

The jury heard ALL the evidence, including Trump's statement, and decided he is a sexual predator who defamed his victim. Lots of people who did not sit in the court and have not heard ALL the evidence are upset about this. Says a great deal about them and nothing about the jury's verdict.

 

There's no evidence.

You call it a "strange thread", but what strange comments from you.

Maybe some people do not realize that courts do not always carry out correct justice, and juries are not always correct, or even reasonable in their decisions.

In my opinion the lawsuit, and the outcome of this lawsuit was absurd.

I have a very dim view of people who cannot see that is obviously so.


Trump comes from New York City, but most everyone there developed a loathing hatred for him after he emerged as the Republican Party candidate for President and won the election. (Women aligned with the feminist cause especially seemed to hate him) It's more than likely the case that there was some political bias in this case.

Apparently progressives view it as perfectly fine and normal to make rich men pay women millions of dollars if those women accuse him of raping her. Even in the distant past.

I think it says a lot about a person when they are unable to see how unjust, stupid and insane this is.

 

Argue with the jury, not me. They saw ALL the evidence, you did not. They clearly have a better understanding of what constitutes evidence than you do.

Oh, and you left out the important bit of my statement - the predictability. Of all the people on this board I know you would just have to start a thread on this.

 

Or it's possible they may just be stupid, or not care about justice and fairness so long as they can convict the hated political figure Trump of a sex crime, "get back" at him, prove to the world that he did something bad, make a rich man pay money, all things a jury of average people in that area would be likely to want to do. Or the belief that everyone should automatically believe women is very prevalent in the New York City area.

 

Or, or or,..... 'or' whatever scenario you want that makes you feel good.

The fact is however that you have presented zero evidence that there was any impropriety in the way the jury or for that matter the Judge handled the case. You believe otherwise? Fine, go right ahead and prove it, I'll wait.

 

That's sort of correct. I'm not claiming there was impropriety in the way the case was handled.

Other than that the judge should not have allowed the case to even come forward. And the jury came to an absurd decision, which was not correct, just, reasonable, or fair.

(Some could argue that the judge allowing Trump's prior tape-recorded comments into the case should have been irrelevant and clearly prejudiced the jury)

 

Which is your opinion, and while your entitled to have it, in reality neither your opinion or the matter or mine is relevant. The only opinions that matter are those of the lawyers concerned and of course the judge's. And if either side feels the judge's decisions/opinions were in error they can of course appeal. Trump might yet at least try to do so.

 

I believe that the people with the best grasp of the facts have made their decision and that a lot of sad, angry little men just can't accept it. Thus they are being accused of stupidity, bias & everything else these people can think of because they just cannot accept the verdict.

Keep going, its gets funnier and sadder every time.

 

Trump is an established pervert. He has admitted his perversion in his own words.
Many Americans love him, and many Americans love the death cult America has become.

 

Pretty laughable but that's NY for you?

 

We now find ourselves here in the United States of America with a candidate for the office of President of the United States who

- has been impeached twice by the Congress of the United States of America, and
- was the titular head of Trump University, a scam, and
- has been found to be a sexual molester by a jury, and
- attempted to stage a coup in a presidential election.

The list is not exhaustive.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

It is sad that a man such as Trump was President.
It is sad that a man such as Biden is President.
It is sad that American government has been taken over by the duopoly.
It is sad that evidence and witnesses are not necessary to a conviction.

 

Some people accept our justice system only when the rulings agree with their bias. Anyone with ears heard Trump trash (defame) her in public. That kind of language comes out of his mouth practically every time he opens it to speak. As for the sexual assault, - heck he BRAGS about being a sexual pervert, so what's there to not believe?

 

Hi, David Lambrecht.

Addressing the last sentence in the above post, we are faced, as a society, with a problem. There are instances in which a person does something to another person which we feel is wrong. If we are to require witnesses and evidence before the wrong can be addressed, we're left with a society that accepts many wrongs as free from redress.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

The recorded comments show that Trump is an admitted rapist, though. Seems pretty relevant.

 

The best was when Trump was show a picture of the accuser after he lied and said that he did not know the accuser never met and anyway she was not his “type”. He identified the accuser as his ex wife Marla. So conclusion is that Marla was not his type either.

The sick thing is that his ardent supporters believe that all of the things Trump has done are just made up stuff. And sicker still are those people who do not care if he murdered someone, evaded taxes, lied about his election attempt, betrayed our country, kissed Putin’s butt (only symbolically we hope) , tried to destroy NATO, grossly increased our deficits, and hundreds of other disgusting things he has done they will still vote for him. Sick sick sick traitors to Americanism.

 

The real work in a case like this is in actually collecting on the judgement, which starts after the appeals process is finalized -- which I predict will last maybe 2 years.

I don't think he'll ever voluntarily pay a cent. And then come constables with writs of attachment, or something similarly named, to try to seize non exempt stuff that he personally owns, and I wonder what he does actually own in his own name.

But I don't know everything, no matter what my wife tells you.

 

So according to this verdict Trump as a private citizen 20+ years ago did the same thing Clinton and Cuomo did as elected leaders to government employees.

 

Sexual assault, not rape. Groping women. AND when they "let you do it" its not even sexual assault.

 

I think it's funny how comments he made years ago on a tabloid show being recorded without his knowledge are somehow evidence...

I typed on Facebook yesterday in a satirical manner..... I hid the body in the neighbor's septic tank...

I wonder how long it will take for someone to arrive to dig up the neighbor's septic tank?

 

They only "let him do it" in his sick head.

Anyway, it's tragically funny to see the party of family values fallen so far as to defend an admitted pervert and sexual assaulter. Such is the power of this cult leader.

 

Trump didn't have a monopoly on that. Let's not forget about Bill and Hillary Clinton's connection to the Laureate University scandal, some could argue was even worse than Trump University, took money from poor people in Brazil who could not afford it. If Trump hadn't won the election, it would have been Hillary who was the president.

Those are ACCUSATIONS. Part of a Democrat witch hunt and crusade to crush this man.

Sorry, not everyone agrees. You know as well as I do that this is a contentious issue and there's no way we're going to be able to have a long debate about that in this thread.

But repeated attempts to try to change the argument and cloud the issue noted.

 

Sure, you can try to argue that his comments were reprehensible, but it still doesn't prove he sexually assaulted this specific woman and that she deserves money, and it still doesn't prove he sexually assaulted anyone at all.
Even if you take his words and interpret them literally, and we assume he has actually done that to woman, that still does not necessarily constitute sexual assault.

The fact that the judge even allowed the jury to hear that demonstrates extreme bias in the case.
I know some may not understand this, but in normal situations a judge would probably never allow something like that to be admitted into evidence. It would be considered "irrelevant" to the specific facts of the case, and would be seen as prejudicial to the jury.

It's also interesting that the jury is punishing Trump for calling the woman a liar, when the only evidence she is not a liar are her own words.

If this case is to be accepted as precedent, it means no one will be allowed to publicly call anyone else a liar, unless that person can prove it, otherwise they could get sued for lots of money.
This is absurd. Traditionally for a person to sue another person for defamation, the burden is on the one initiating the lawsuit to have to prove that the defamation was not true.

Remember, a court threw out Trump's lawsuit against the woman. So there are clear double standards at play. It means her word about what happened is automatically believed and Trump's is not.

The court wouldn't let Trump sue the woman for accusing him of things, but the court would let the woman sue him for calling her a liar.

 

He's a pervert and he gropes women.

Why do you people defend him? Move on. Find someone less hypocritical and mentally ill and more capable of delivering on promises.