Kansas City Mo protests

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  1. Crawdadr

    Crawdadr Well-Known Member

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    Figuring out which restrictions apply to you is difficult enough, but imagine the confusion in Kansas City - do they obey Kansas or MO?
     
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    I thi k the protesters are some if the best recruiters possible for Republican votes, inwould like to take a moment to thank them.

    Thank you!
     
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    Yes, we have seen how protesting has made Trump realize there is a problem to not deal with..
     
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    Red turnout is not that big of a deal - but - if Blue shows up - Red loses.
     
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    I think the list of those in the middle willing to hold their nose and vote trump is growing. Blocking streets, looting & violence is a big turnoff.

    doing it for weeks at a time multiplies the number and is less easily forgotten.

    But yes, you are correct, assuming enough blues hold their noses and do the same for biden.

    The fact that these are the choices is awful.
     
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    Most people don't know why Biden is so bad - and Red is not picking up the torch. Red base is going to show up -as they always do, but the demographic time bomb keeps ticking and Red has not changed its policies to reflect the new demographic.

    Abortion is a "Loser" - aside from being in violation of the principles of Republicanism - along with most of the other Religious based political meddling.
    Economy is a "winner" - but that Trump card now has diminished value.

    Biden has put latino's and blacks together - and both seem mobilized. Not sure how corona will affect turnout - that is a bit of a wildcard.

    Red is now the party of the "Environment" Blue has dropped the ball - but were you aware of this ? - Neither is the vast majority of Red.
    It is on this issue that - despite disliking Trump and some of his major blunders - I will vote Red this time.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not aware on the environment shift, I need to sort that one out.
     
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    Joe Biden is also the one who openly told black individuals that if they do not vote for him to be president of the united states, then they are not truly black.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No worries - you will be "Sorted" :) after this post.

    I should preface this with telling you that I am a subject matter expert - not in all areas of the environment - but in the main area which is Ocean Pollution - having cleaned up hydrocarbon contaminated soil and ground water for a decade using innovative 'alternative - as in alternative to dig and dump" technology such as bioremediation - both in the research and application of such technologies.

    Micheal Moore's most recent documentary riled up the Dems - Much of this was due to his explaining that "Biofuels" are 1) not the solution - and 2) not a "green solution" as touted. All of the trees in the US would fuel us for something like a year. This was interesting and I didn't realize.

    He also said what I have been saying for roughly 2 decades - that Population Growth and Industrialization are the #2 and #3 enviro issues with industrialization being the most dangerous risk of the two. But obviously - more population - more CO2 consumption - and more byproducts of consumption overall. Someone eating a bowl of rice a day in Africa is (1) First world (36) - meaning that you and have 36 times the consumption - and biproducts of that consumption.

    #1 environmental risk is Ocean Pollution - We can deal with and manage the effects of increased temperature - 30 years down the road. Theoretically we could shut of the CO2 taps relatively quickly if we absolutely had to.

    What we can't do - is filter the Oceans. Now it is not like Blue does not talk about this issue - but Policy is myopically focused on CO2 - which is #4 on my list of pressing concerns. We can debate the order but - it will not matter to my position.

    Google "Dead Zones" sometime - which comes from fertilizer run-off - and "sargassum epidemic" - https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/7/4/20681064/sargassum-science-seaweed-atlantic-study is related to this. The nitrogen form run-off stimulates the bacteria who consume the oxygen creating an anaerobic (oxygen limited) "dead zone". Heavy metals and Persistent Organic Pollutants (POP's) are another problem - more than 2 cans of tuna a week and you exceed the Mercury Guidelines for Pregnant women.
    and this is just for starters.

    #2 and #3 - are "verbotten" for the most part - part of the reason the Dems were riled by Moore's book -as he stated these things - what I have been saying for 2 decades - having discussions at conferences at meals with 10 experts present .. and everyone nodding enthusiastically - no one gainsaying - simply not debated in serious circles.

    The straw that broke the camel's back was Biden coming out against the Keystone Pipeline.

    The famous "New Green Deal" boldly states = "We will not export our pollution problems to other nations" - OK - Great - I agree with this - to the point where I believe - as do many - that we should not be buying oil from high "Toxic Waste" nations - and typically these are the nations who have poor labor standards as well - but that is a side issue.

    In addition to Toxic waste - buying from such nations does what we can't talk about - "incentivises Industrialization" - of these backward nations. Imagine I said we would increase the population to 36 times what it is now. What do you think you are doing when you turn the dude eating a bowl of rice a day into a first worlder ? - in terms of consumption of resources. China was at (11) when I read this study over a decade ago - upshot was that if China was to reach first world consumption (36) - world resource production would have to double.

    So how does this relate to Pipelines - blocking the Keystone - and shutting in the North Dakota Access line recently ?

    Not building the Keystone does not change the CO2 equation by one drop of gas. Will you drive less because of what oil the refinery used to make that gas ? - of course not - nor will anyone else. So this is a non issue w/r to pipelines.

    If we don't get the oil from Canada .. or North Dakota - we need to buy it from somewhere else - such as "Nigeria" - one of our largest suppliers - a Toxic dump - and a place where we should not be incentivizing industrialization - sorry to the PC folks out there but - your not going to cancel this reality.

    So this policy - while doing nothing to help reduce CO2 emissions - not only increases Ocean Pollution - but exports it to other nations.
    It also fuels industrialization of these nations which increases both Ocean Pollution and CO2 emissions via increased consumption.

    The best left argument you will find ! - "We don't want to build Pipeline Infrastructure because we will be off fossil fuels by 2050"

    <hear the sound of me banging head against wall> after hearing that one a short time ago. Let us assume that we till be off Carbon by 2050. OK - well up until that point - we will be on oil. We can do that in a way that does more harm - or Less harm - and Not building the pipeline does way more harm to the environment.

    and regardless of what happens in 2050 - next year we will consume 20 million barrels a day - every day - and we have to get that product from somewhere. "Canada or North Dakota" - or "Nigeria" That is the choice.

    Now forgive me -but what about the economic impact - We own much of the Canadian Oil industry -and much of Canada for that matter - when they do well -we do well - and vice versa. Check out Phoenix in the winter. You will not find many Nigerians - but a whole lot of Canadians you will find. Internal energy policy speaks for itself. Obviously it is better for America and American workers to produce the energy we need here.

    Then you have "global Capital" equation - which has become highly competitive. Attract that capital and you are doing well - there are analysts that focus primarily on this - Martin Armstrong would be one. When capital flows your direction <think China over the last 2 decades> things are good. When it flows away - Cuba, Venezuela - the failed ME States - things to not go so well.

    What message did we send to the world - when a major company - from a nation who is our biggest trading partner -spends billions up front
    on the basis that they are not dealing with some third world puppet regime - and then the project gets stalled/blocked on the basis of Political gamesmanship.

    The message was loud and clear - there is significant risk investing here - not that our regulations were not painful already - in a world where competition for this capital is more fierce than ever.

    This is "Dumb" and "Dumber" on steroids. Cant remember who it was unfortunately - should probably track the fellow down. A Republican Congressman - speaking to Congress - said exactly what I am saying - and have been saying for decades - some months ago.

    I should probably write to this fellow.
     
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    Tyvm.

    You have given me a enough to work with here so I can explore further.

    I feel sorted :)
     
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    That long winded diatribe was the Cole's notes version ;)
     
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