Katie Hobbs extends lead while Republican tells Arizona to ‘get ready’ for her win

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  1. Izzy

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    IIRC:
    So far you want drop boxes, mail-in/absentee ballots eliminated except for the military and voters with certain disabilities?
    What else ?

    Thereby preventing those "2,000 Mules" who have not yet been identified no less criminally charged from a repeat performance?
     
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    This is a fallacy of equivalency here. Yes, there is fraud. But fraud is so rare that it really does not impact any federal election or state election where there are millions of votes being cast. Local elections may have a far more impact given that only 10%, on average, of the voting electorate vote. What you are asking is to have enough laws so that there are no more traffic accidents on the road due to reckless driving. It won't work in any realistic circumstance.

    What is being done is being done. And what is on the books is sufficient given that the amount of actual illegal voting is rare. Want to improve the voting system, nationalize the Federal Voter Registration. That would eliminate a person having more than one voter registration card in more than one state. But even that won't make a difference in the results of the elections.
     
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    How many have been indicted, charged and found gui
    You expect everyone who doesn't agree with your so called voting solutions to then being in agreement with voter fraud.

    Your Heritage Foundation link which I'm sure stays on top of voter fraud data has listed
    58 convictions for all of 2021 up until now.
     
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    No election ends the way I want, with a viable Libertarian president.

    What I want is fair and fraud free elections.

    Mail in voting is the least secure of all forms of voting and has serious security risks.

    That's a problem.
     
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    Ahhh. Deflect!

    It's exactly the same thing.

    Apparently you get to be critical of States that are anti-abortion even saying you wish they were pro-choice, but if I say I desire States to administer elections fairly... it's different.

    It's not.
     
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    Nor have I ever said I wanted federal involvement... you just keep suggesting that over and over ad nauseum.

    Wouldn't it be annoying if I kept responding to your post "so you want the fed to step in to guarantee abortion rights?".

    So stop.
     
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    There are a lot of local, state, and even some federal elections that are very close.

    The same people that say "election fraud is so small thus insignificant" are the ones who oppose wvery mechanism that provides security and identifies fraud.

    "Look, nobody speeds because nobody has gotten a ticket!" Says the person who removed all the traffic police.
     
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    So how do you propose every State stops 100% of all election and voter fraud. I'm not interested in what may help to curb just some fraud, you said you want to stop all fraud. What is your foolproof solution?
     
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    Percentage-wise, yes. By a number of votes, not so much in federal and state elections. We have about 25000 voters difference between Hobbs and Lake. And having more than 25000 illegal votes is nearly impossible, given the laws that are currently in use, signature verification, etc.
     
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    Wonder who Kari is on the phone with tonight? lol


    'Arizona's Cochise County finally certifies its election results after a court order'


    "Under a court order, officials in Republican-controlled Cochise County, Ariz., finally certified their local midterm elections results after they missed the state's legal deadline and put more than 47,000 people's votes at risk.

    Ruling from the bench at a court hearing on Thursday, Pima County Superior Court Judge Casey McGinley ordered the county's board of supervisors to meet and make the results official by 5 p.m. MT Thursday.

    Two members of the board — Ann English, a Democrat, and Peggy Judd, a Republican — then voted to certify, while the board's third member — Tom Crosby, a Republican — did not attend the court-ordered meeting.

    The court order came three days after the board's two Republicans voted Monday not to certify the results — despite finding no legitimate problems with the counts — turning a usually uneventful step in the election process into a closely watched controversy. The move prompted multiple lawsuits, including one by the state's secretary of state, who has been waiting for the county's results to proceed with the statewide certification that is legally required to take place next week."



    Read more: https://www.npr.org/2022/12/01/1140086777/midterm-elections-cochise-county-arizona-ruling
     
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    Kari must be foaming at the mouth.

    BREAKING

    BUSINESS
    ‘False, Misleading’ Accusations: Federal Judge Sanctions Kari Lake For Challenging Arizona’s Voting Procedures

    "U.S. District Judge John Tuchi said in his decision that Lake made “false, misleading and unsupported factual assertions” in her initial lawsuit claiming “unauthorized persons” manipulated voting machines during Arizona’s gubernatorial election.


    Tuchi cites insufficient evidence supporting any of Lake’s claims, adding the plaintiffs—members of Lake’s election staff in addition to Lake herself—”have voted on paper ballots, contradicting allegations and representations” of statements made by Lake.


    Steve Bannon—who served as President Donald Trump’s chief strategist—was not named in the sanctions despite counseling Lake in her bid to contest election results.


    Sanctions must be enough to “deter repetition” of similar allegations in the future in addition to the payment of Katie Hobbs’ attorney fees, but it is not yet clear how much Lake will have to pay."


    cont:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerr...g-arizonas-voting-procedures/?sh=26ba3d62d09d
     
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    Whatcha gonna do now KKKari?


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    BREAKING: Arizona officials canvass and certify the state's election results. Katie Hobbs is officially governor-elect. Mark Kelley re-elected in landslide.
     
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    You really cannot take your eyes off of Arizona at any time.... It's a robbery inside a train wreck during a hurricane

    Read this story... Just insane they will question the SOS for clearly doing her job by pointing out lies about the election process (questioned by the same people PUSHING the disinformation she was trying to stop)

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-kari-lake-kelli-ward-183604132.html

    Most accurate article title of the year...
     
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    Included is all her supporters who automatically believe whatever she tells them.
    Some funny comments:

    ZCentral | The Arizona Republic
    "It's official: Kari Lake, Kelli Ward and the Arizona GOP have lost their minds"

    Mark
    1 day ago

    "Of course those two tweets made all the difference in the election. If only those two tweets had stayed up then Lake would surely have won. What time in the morning do these people start drinking?"


     
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    Hopefully included in the 70 page lawsuit are demands for the termination of all Arizona voting rules regulations etc. including all in Arizona's Constitution.
    That should do it!

    Failed Candidate for Governor Kari Lake Demands She Be Declared Winner

    Source: Daily Beast

    "Failed Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake has filed a lawsuit against Maricopa County officials challenging the certification of election results.

    Lake’s 70-page lawsuit calls for “an order setting aside the certified result of the 2022 Arizona gubernatorial election and declaring that Kari Lake is the winner.” Republican Lake, a fervent 2020 election denier, has vehemently claimed the election was rigged after losing by 0.6 percent to Democratic candidate Katie Hobbs.

    She tweeted a photo of the lawsuit along with the caption, “LFG.” “If the process was illegitimate then so are the results. Stay tuned, folks,” she tweeted. “Furthermore, if the process was legitimate then so are the results. Let’s find out.”

    The election was officially certified Tuesday after a messy process with one rural county delaying its certification in protest. A month before the election, Lake refused to say whether she’d accept the results of the election, repeatedly telling CNN anchor Dana Bash, “I’m going to win the election and I’ll accept that result.”

    Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/faile...es-lawsuit-against-arizona-election-officials
     
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    Doesn't bode well for Kari Lake on an evidentiary basis (ruling on Motion to Dismiss due on Monday)


    Arizona Republican loses election lawsuit in secretary of state race

    Source: The Hill

    "An Arizona judge has dismissed a lawsuit from Mark Finchem, the Republican nominee for secretary of state, that challenged the results in his race, confirming Democrat Adrian Fontes’ victory in the contest.

    Fontes, who previously served as Maricopa County recorder, won by about 120,000 votes, but Finchem filed his suit claiming that technical issues in Maricopa County cost him about 200,000 votes, which would be enough to change the race’s result.

    Printer issues occurred at 70 of Maricopa’s 223 voting centers on Election Day, causing the ink on certain ballots to be too light for tabulators to read, but election officials have maintained that everyone still had the ability to vote. They responded to the issue by allowing voters to wait in line until it was resolved, vote at a different voting center or drop their ballot in a box to be counted later.

    But Finchem and GOP gubernatorial nominee Kari Lake each filed separate lawsuits stating that the issues disenfranchised largely Republican voters, who are more likely to vote on Election Day instead of in advance.



    Read more: https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...-election-lawsuit-in-secretary-of-state-race/
     
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    "Maricopa County acknowledges that over half of their voting machines didn't work on election day They're pretending it wasn't a big deal Absent of these mechanical failures & the voter disenfranchisement that resulted, @KariLake would be Governor That's a pretty big deal to us" - Kari Lake warroom

    "A billionaire swept in and saved America. Then another billionaire stepped up to save Twitter. Imagine how great it will be to have them both in charge at the same time. The future is bright!" - Kari Lake

    and then this just dropped....

    BREAKING: A ruling has been made in @KariLake lawsuit against Maricopa County in regards to ballot inspection. The judge has granted (in part) Lake’s request to analyze ballots
     
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    The courts need to go scorched earth on these frivolous lawsuits. Not only disbarring the attorney’s but following the money trail to identify those that unable them and drop the hammer on them as well.
     
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    She claims that 100's of thousands of votes were cast illegally...LOL

    "Lake filed a lawsuit Dec. 9 seeking to be declared the election’s winner or have Maricopa County ordered to re-run its gubernatorial election, according to USA Today.

    The Maricopa County Superior Court of Arizona granted her petition for inspecting 50 randomly-selected Election-Day-cast and Election Day spoil-marked “ballot-on-demand” printed ballots respectively from six separate Maricopa County voting centers and 50 early cast ballots from six separate county batches.


    The court rejected Lake’s request to have 50 randomly selected early ballots’ envelopes inspected. It forbids the approved inspections from disturbing any ballots’ integrity, storage or maintenance in the county’s custody or interfering with any ongoing 2022 election result recount".


    The court ordered the inspection to start Tuesday morning.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ory-in-maricopa-county/ar-AA15nGXM?li=BBnbfcL
     
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    Chain of custody issues:
    "Testimonies alleging chain of custody issues are also included in the suit, with Lake asserting that Maricopa election officials failed to document chain of custody records for nearly 300,000 ballots as required by Arizona law."

    Crux of her lawsuit:
    "Lake claims that Election Day voters in Maricopa favored her over Hobbs by a 3:1 ratio and their ability to properly vote would have resulted in her gaining between 15,000 to 30,000 votes in the county’s final election canvass."

    "Also included in the legal filing are accusations of illegal ballots being tabulated over the course of the election. Citing sworn testimony from several poll workers involved in Maricopa’s signature verification and curing process for early voting ballots, Lake contends that the county’s signature verification managers “had a practice of sending already rejected ballots back through the process,” which allegedly led to as many as tens of thousands of ballots with “mismatched signatures” being officially counted."

    There are so many issues across so many states with counting ballots, I am wondering at what point we just need a new system. Voter ID, restricting mail in ballots and Federal voting laws might solve the issue. But at this point, lawsuits will continue to be filed. I think our election rules and laws are a complete joke. It allows people and officials to cheat almost at will If something doesn't get rectified and if we don't restore confidence in the system, then this country will be eroded away into nothing. Like it currently is.
     
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    EXCEPT:
    The Election in AZ Has (ALREADY) been certified!
    It's Over!
    Message To Lake = Tinfoil Hat Sour Grapes from Sore Losers Ain't Gonna cut it...:bored:
    Cry me a River, Etc...
     
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    Well color me surprised...not.
    :roflol:

    "The case was filed by Bryan Blehm, an Arizona attorney best known for representing the Cyber Ninjas in cases related to the partisan audit of Arizona’s 2020 election, and Kurt Olsen, a lawyer who has worked with former President Donald Trump and spoke to Trump on the phone multiple times on Jan. 6, 2021."

    They named Hobbs and Maricopa County officials as defendants. "
     
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    I'm a little confused... this article says a hearing was held TODAY in Maricopa to determine if the lawsuit should be tossed

    SNIP
    On Monday, a Maricopa County Superior Court judge heard arguments on whether to toss out Kari Lake’s lawsuit challenging the election.

    On Friday, a Mohave County Superior Court judge threw out Sen. Sonny Borrelli’s wild claims that Lake's election was stolen by artificial intelligence supposedly used to verify early ballot signatures. (The county says AI was not used to verify signatures.)

    Also on Friday, Maricopa County Superior Court Melissa Julian tossed out Mark Finchem’s lawsuit, claiming all manner of nefarious activity in denying him the secretary of state’s post. Finchem lost by 120,208 votes to Adrian Fontes.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/kari-lake-vows-burn-ground-194840342.html

    Flood the system and see what floats to the surface.... Such Patriotism!!!
     

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