Let’s Get This Class War Started

No. that's not true. Again, if you confiscated the entire compensation of the CEO of walmart, and distributed it to the employees, it would be less than half of a penny per hour.

So that's just not true. Just flat out not true.

Further, many people are paid a ton money. So I don't really know what you consider to be "don't pay very well". That's a subjective statement.

Especially when you consider that the vast majority of our country is the top 1% of the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...obal-elite--half-worlds-richest-live-U-S.html

Are you grasping this? A married couple, man and woman, working a minimum wage job at Wendy's.... brings home $30,000 a year. They are just $4,000 short of the top 1% of the entire freakin planet!

Are you getting this? A truck driver in America.... can easily bring home $37,000 the first year. Most can earn upwards of $70,000.

A truck driver in the US, is in the top 1% of all people around the world!

This is why I'm completely against OWS. We are not the 99%. The vast majority of those idiots are in fact the 1%!

BTW......

Completely side note, but fits in with the discussion. Have you ever wondered why American men, are willing to pay big money to get a wife from another country?

This is the reason right here. Too many American girls, are just like YOU in this post. You have it better here in American, than the 99% of the planet... and yet all you can do is complain, and b!tch, and moan about the evil rich, how they are keeping you down.... (even though you have it better than anywhere else in the world). Spoiled brats.

And you marry an America girl, and she whines about her car, and whines about the house, and whines she can't go on an expensive vacation.

Men get a mail order bride from some of these other countries, and the girl comes here, and even if he only earns $30,000 a year, she thinks she's living in a royal palace! She can't believe what great standard of living she enjoys! She can't believe she has a great $15,000 car! She can't believe her husband earns enough, that they can fly to the beach for an entire week!

She's ecstatic, and grateful, and content, and appreciates what she has. That's why men pay money to get foreign girls, instead of spoiled brat American girls.

We should all be completely deliriously happy with how great a standard of living we have in this country. And good thing I'm not a dictator, because I'd round up all you whiny bichy, complainy people, and ship all of you to Cuba, or Argentina, or Ethiopia. Let you find out just how "rich guys don't pay very well at all" in those countries. You'll be begging, PLEADING, to come back and get your lousy 'top 1% of the world' pay.

 

I have never been employed by a poor person.

 

"...of Celtic tradition..."

Taxcutter says:
Losers. Got blown away when in contact with Romans or Norsemen.

 

Well, way to just ignore the point. BTW, a little off the point that was being made, the Romans used land rent as a large portion of their revenue. Those Roman losers.

http://commongroundorwa.org/LVT-History_Polimeni.pdf

You just can't win, Taxcutter, can you?

 

So what; Jesus the Christ claimed he would never "employ" a rich Person in His, divine Commune of Heaven.

 

His delivery may be very direct, almost Blitzkrieg like, but, I saw him make plenty of valid counters to the points you made. Maybe a little too valid for your tastes. (Don't put me on ignore now!)

For starters, you claimed owning property is the same as running a business. Roy cited the term 'silent partner'.

Let's take a look:

"silent partner n. a non-legal term for an investor who puts money into a business, takes no part in management, and is often unknown to customers. A "limited partner," who is prohibited from taking part in management and has no liability for debts beyond his/her investment, is a true silent partner."

So, obviously, owning property is not the same as actually running a business.

How is that not a direct refutation to the claim you made?

 

I have comprehensively and conclusively demolished and humiliated you; you know it; and you have no answers. Simple.

It's always the same.

You know that is false, and so does everyone else reading this.

You know that is false, and so does everyone else reading this.

You know that is false, and so does everyone else reading this: I never try to be popular, or evade, or dissemble.

You know that is false, and so does everyone else reading this.

You know that is false, and so does everyone else reading this.

I don't let you get away with the typical stupid, dishonest right-wing $#!+ you are accustomed to getting away with, so you mistake your frustration for discourtesy on my part, and become angry. Simple.

"Lalalla I can't hear you lalallallaaa..."

You and all the other forum members reading this are aware that the reason you cannot answer my pulverization of your stupid, dishonest garbage is that you cannot compete with me in the arena of reasoned and intelligent discussion.

It's always the same.

 

Roy has been a complete and total jerk. It has nothing to do with whether he made good points or bad points. Problem had to do with him being a jerk.

A jerk that has a point, is still just a jerk. When you die, people won't remember "oh Roy made a good point when he was alive"... no they will remember him for what a jerk he was. How decent of a person you are, matters more than anything else you do in your life. You would do well to remember that.

I personally have made the decision that I simply am not going to suffer jerks. Just flat out, not going to do it. As long as you can make your points, without being a slime ball, I'll never feel the need to ignore you, no matter what points you make. Promise.

Yeah, I honestly do not grasp how this makes a point.

What if the investor is into an apartment complex. Would the same not apply? There is still overhead that has to paid to maintain the property. Yes or no?

The roof has to be fixed when it leaks. The heat has to be repaired when it fails. The driveway has to be sealed every other year. The lights around the building have to be replaced. The windows that break have to be replaced.

The silent investor in a business, or a property, act exactly the same.

In both cases, the silent investor only reaps a profit from the investment, after upkeep, overhead, and maintenance of the investment is paid out. If the business fails to make a profit, or if the property fails to turn a profit, the silent investors earns nothing.

So... as far as I can tell... the difference between the two, as far as silent investors is concern, is nothing.

What am I missing? You explain it to me.

 

You mean you've never been paid well by a rich person.

 

As usual, you are wrong.

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As usual, you are wrong.

 

A real estate holding company is not a business? What is it? A hobby?

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That is true. Poor people pay out the big bucks.

 

I must be behind the times..I'm still fighting the 'war on women'..when they are all pregnant, I will have won...

 

If you believe that the wage (or salary) being offered is inappropriate to your skillset, you always have the option of refusing the job in question, and looking elsewhere...

 

Class Warfare is a revolution of envy, or laziness.

In this country (the USA), anybody who works hard (education helps) and is faithful in whatever jobs they have, can succeed---the extent of succeeding is dependent mostly on the person and some opportunity (a door to walk thru) or luck (right place at the right time). Most class war instigators are whiners & complainers who make excuses and dont want to walk the walk...do the hard work!

 

stop falling for that trick; what happens when one day you realize you are just whipped? and have to watch the kids while she goes off with her girl friends find some more guys to clamor for a relationship.

 

what if the next employer decides he doesn't want to hire someone who wants more, from a previous employer? there is no poverty induction for any employers practicing their at-will employment rights--like there is for labor.

 

How does that conform to our economic reality of a natural rate of unemployment under Capitalism?

 

Mine is a personal anecdote of how a middle-class son, joining the military @ 18 yo (something even lower class can do), then getting a GI Bill college education (again, open to the lower class also), and working to a point of owning a small co., selling it & smart investing , thus able to retire early and live the American dream, wasnt 'luck' but faithfulness, drive, and hard work...no apologies here!

 

Do you realize, that with any natural rate of unemployment, not everyone will have a job, even if a doctorate is required to participate in the market for labor?

 

What exactly do you want? Reparations? What is your answer? Move to Switzerland and live off the proposed $2800/mo entitlement

 

running
"the action of managing or operating something"

merely owning is not the same as running a business

 

Seems's they have gone to ground .

Obama continues with the Wall Street Welfare State,$85bn a month, whilst Ripping down the American Peoples Safety net of Food Stamps .

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/26/food-o26.html

Then has the Biggest Foreign Policy disaster for US Imperialism in Decades ,whilst Losing face in Asia ,with a NO SHOW, Obama DARE ,gets smashed down by Gremlins running amok ,Where is WALLY OBAMA , has anyone seen him .

Meanwhile ,the Tory Rubbish and Thatcherite ,slime ,Tony Abbott is in Power 50days ,and no sitting of the Parliament.

In Germany ,no Government as sitting Parliament ,Obama actually closes the government for Business .?!?

Here Tony Dumbo Abbott ,her Majesty's boy ,WHERE ARE YOU TONY ......Working Class of Australia wants a Chat!

 

This is a logical impossibility in our system because the success of some is the fruit of the intentionally inflicted non success of others in a tilted system that rewards privilege ownership over productive effort, a system which robs the latter to enrich the former without compensation.

 

And so, some ppl must be 'garbagemen.' Btw, working as such for the city pays $24/hr plus benefits (all you can eat!)....

 

Merely and simply, sufficient social morals for free to bear true witness to our own laws regarding the concept and legal doctrine in American law, of employment at will; simply for the sake of a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge and that form of respect for a Tradition of morals, even in modern times.