Let's build a better health care system

NOOOO!

Those 'options' are still just INSURANCE funding a for profit health care system. We need to kick the 'insurance' mentality and insurance the F**K out of our health care system.

 

In America, abject greed combined with foolish apathy and selfishness are retarding us... where it concerns doing what's BEST for our people as a 'nation'.

That's what I see (and not just where it concerns "healthcare").

 

Sometimes a socialistic idea can solve problems where others are relatively ineffective; we already know (historically) this is true, even here in the United States.

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Exactly!! That is for certain.

 

universal healthcare coverage still give consumers the power to pick a Doctor, thus keeping doctors on their toes as they know they are not the only one competing for those dollars

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capitalism always looks good on paper but in real, not so much...corporate welfare, shrinking of the middle class, wall street collapse, ponzi schemes....

 

Well I have heard similar sentiments from my American friends.
Maybe the US needs a change in it's social services. It seems to me from the division over the implementation of the ACA that many Americans feel strongly about it.

But I don't really know seeing as I don't live there.

 

universal health care coverage is the best of both worlds, we still get to pick our own doctors and the risk is shared with all Americans combined as one

maybe we have both, we have public hospitals like Canada and if you want to go private, you use the universal coverage (also like Canada, but we could go a step future on this)

copay's would need to be required for non-hospitalized visits to keep the hypochondriacs at bay


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Single Payer... LET'S GET ON WITH IT!!

 

But it still would require a bloated agency skimming off funds for its 'administrative' costs, and deciding what and what not to pay for. bad bad bad!

The 'both' we can have is, public hospitals and private hospitals... just like private and public schools.

I think this is a good idea. Inevitably there will be those who abuse the system. But I'm thinking more along the lines of a upfront minimal fee for those who want expedited service. Kinda like when I got my sons vaccinated at the public clinic. We went there because they had the 'refreshes' vaccines. We paid $5 and were able to get in the short line.

 

My checkbook doesn't care whether its money is going to the government or to the insurers. All I know is that most industrialized countries have pretty good health coverage and it is costing their people half as much as ours is costing us. And, frankly, I just object to people getting returns on investment over my health.

 

You GOT IT!! Nailed it!!

Americans pay TWICE AS MUCH, and get much less... compared to every other industrialized society.

That's enough right there.

(I'm not voting "Conservative", ever in my life again. The for/by-corporation-oriented fiscal Conservatives in America, will have to be DRAGGED to Universal Healthcare, via overwhelming social and political force.)

Bringing Universal Healthcare to the people, will be VERY similar to Civil Rights and Desegregation finally being coded into law. We needed it a LOT as a nation, but the die-hards had to be PUSHED to do what was best for all. That day is coming for health care, until we get it right.

 

*facepalms

I don't give two turds what insurance plan you guys n gals want to adopt... free market ins, or government run ins..it is NOT the answer to having basic health care for all.

INSURANCE =/= HEALTHCARE!!

Insurance is merely sharing risk for costs... which means they can and will DICTATE what you will and will not get as far as care.

I'll say it again... we need to kick insurance the F^^K out of our health care system!

 

Universal Healthcare... is now exactly where we need to go.

This nonsense and immoral scheme of healthcare for "profit" needs to end.

 

That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

You may be ok with leaving your health and others to the mercy of the free market, but I am not. So my preaching about it will not end.

 

Yes. And it is commensurate with the expression of what I want for America (my will); which still counts are far as the politicians I VOTE for/against.

I'm just one voice relating this here in the forum... but certainly not the only American that agrees with what I've expressed to you.

And that is not what I'm calling for. I want America to have a system such as that in the UK or Canada.

Well, we may agree on not letting insurance companies or for-profit outfits control the medical system; I think that is what you oppose and so do I.

 

If you haven't read post 124, please do. It explains why I take issue with basic health care being subject to the free market.

 

I'll review it.

 

You are spot-on correct!! Yes!

I was in the military for over 30 years, and seeing why/how we did what we did to 'protect' this nation made me VERY glad that we weren't protected by a group of 'mercenaries'.

And as important as national defense is to me, my understanding of things leads me to view the HEALTH of our citizens should be considered a very close 2nd to our defense.

In fact, we need to structure a LOT more things philosophically, morally, ethically... to benefit the well being of the American people period. I'm not against wealth or regulated capitalism... but once we get to a point where MONEY is truly deemed more important than people's needs... I know we have lost it. (We need to re-calibrate our values, right about 'now'.)

We either reform the things that are surely hurting us, or perish as a nation.

 

BTW, I generally agree with THIS post.

 

Yes! Our defense is for the health and well being of our nation, so should the health of our citizens have a 'defense'. We made national defense a constitutional duty for a reason, I think a national health care system should be too for the same principle.

 

I tend to agree, but how do you prevent people from WANTING to share the risk and buying insurance? Can health insurance be made illegal? Once insurance buying starts (probably at the upper echelons), costs go up that people at the lower echelons can't risk, meaning they have to buy insurance, too.

Btw, it isn't better treatments or diagnostics or more expensive pharmaceuticals that have raised health care costs at more than twice the rate of inflation over the past 20 years, it's that the providers have all wanted a bigger and bigger slice of the insurance pie. And since the insurers have made money hand over fist, they are only too happy to play the game. HC insurance is super-inflationary.

 

Do you have anything to offer as proof of your assertion?

 

You need to read the entire thread, or at least my posts. I've basiclly answered this question more than once. Private for profit health care doesn't have to be dismantle, nor does the US need to nationalized it. It can continue on unmolested by the new system. So folks could still choose that option of buying insurance and patronizing private for profit health care providers. What I proposed was the government build their own health care system from the ground up. All aspects from education, R&D/manufacturing, and provider institutions, separate from the private sector. I imagine some private sections of that industry may choose to be assimilated however. And funded by a dedicated property and or sales tax. Think of how our K-12 schools system works, it would be similar to that.

I think it's more complicated than that, and more than one contributing factor.