Let's debunk what CO2 does. Let's also explain what it does not do.

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  1. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    I find your posts succinct and incisive.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here, look through these and see what you can do about explaining them to the forum. I believe per you, you are the one forum expert on this topic.

    http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/PublicationsRSL.html
     
  3. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not judge you as a person that liked his taunts and insults. @Sallyally
     
  4. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    That was not an insult or a taunt. It was a compliment to Ecco after your remark.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, you were not accused. He taunted. 99 percent of what he says to me is just that.
     
  6. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    You are a bit thin skinned Robert. The rough and tumble of the forum is part of the fun.
    Sorry, I must need new glasses. I misread your remark.
     
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  7. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, I do not try to beat up on posters. I don't mind some kidding. But that poster does not kid.

    Yes, i would not target you. You offended me but I shall not worry over that.
     
  8. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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  9. Bowerbird

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    Okay but academic standards remember? So everything undert

    226. Lindzen, R.S. (2006) Debunking the Myth. Business Today, 43, 66-67.

    227. Robert M. Carter, C. R. de Freitas, Indur M. Goklany, David Holland & Richard S. Lindzen (2006) The Stern Review: A Dual Critique, Part I: The Science, World Economics, 7, 167-198.

    228. Lindzen, R.S., 2007: Taking greenhouse warming seriously. Energy & Environment, 18, 937-950.

    229. Robert M. Carter, C. R. de Freitas, Indur M. Goklany, David Holland & Richard S. Lindzen (2006) The Stern Review: A Dual Critique, Part I: The Science, World Economics, 7, 167-198.

    229. Lindzen, R.S. (2007) Taking Greenhouse Warming Seriously, Energy & Environment, 18, 937-950. [pdf]

    230. Rondanelli, R., and R. S. Lindzen (2008), Observed variations in convective precipitation fraction and stratiform area with sea surface temperature. J. Geophys. Res., 113, D16119, doi:10.1029/2008JD010064. [pdf]

    231. Rondanelli, R.F. and R.S. Lindzen (2008) Comments on "Variations of tropical upper tropospheric clouds with sea surface temperature and implications for radiative effects" by Su et al. [2008], J. Geophys. Res, 115, D06202, doi:10.1029/2008JD011189.

    232. Lindzen, R.S. (2008) Climate science: is it designed to answer questions. arXiv:0809.3762, available as pdf file on www.arxiv.org, Physics and Society.

    233. Choi, Y-S., C. Ho, J. Kim, and R. S. Lindzen (2010), Satellite retrievals of (quasi-)spherical particles at cold temperatures, Geophys. Res. Lett., 37, L05703, doi:10.1029/2009GL041818. [pdf]

    234. Rondanelli, R. and R.S. Lindzen, 2010:Can thin cirrus clouds in the tropics provide a solution to the faint young Sun paradox?, J.Geophys. Res,. 115, D02108, 12 pp. [pdf]

    235. Lindzen, R.S. and Y.-S. Choi, 2009: On the determination of climate feedbacks from ERBE data, Geophys. Res. Ltrs., 36, L16705, doi:10.1029/2009GL039628. [pdf]

    236. Lindzen, R.S. and Y.-S. Choi, 2011: On the observational determination of climate sensitivity and its implications. in press Asian Pacific Journal of Atmospheric Science. [pdf]

    237. Y.‑S. Choi, R. S. Lindzen, C.‑H. Ho, and J. Kim, 2010: Space observations of cold‑cloud phase change. Proc .Nat .Acad. Sci., 107, 11211-11216. [pdf]

    238. Y.-S. Choi, C.H. Ho, S.-W. Kim and R.S. Lindzen, 2010: Observational diagnosis of cloud phase in the winter antarctic atmosphere for parameterizations in climate models. Adv. Atm. Sci., 27, 1233-1245. [pdf]

    239. Covey, C., A. Dai, D. Marsh, and R.S. Lindzen, 2010: The Surface-Pressure Signature of Atmospheric Tides in Modern Climate Models, J. Atmos. Sci., 68, 495-514, DOI: 10.1175/2010JAS3560.1.

    240. Choi, Y.-S., H. Cho, R.S. Lindzen, and S.-K. Park (2011) An effect od non-feedback cloud variations on determination of cloud feedback. Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics, submitted.

    Academic standard so nothing over five years old but I have been generous and selected those under 10 years old

    Academic standard. Must be published in a peer reviewed paper and that lets out no 240 because it has not been accepted yet as well as a number that have been "published" in journals such as "energy and environment" whose peer review process basically revolved around checking the credit card of the person submitting the paper. That only leaves a small number of papers. Now tell me which ones of those say "Global Warming is not Happening"
     
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  10. Cosmo

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    Post #772 Your claim:
    >snip<
    "Windmills for instance are proving a health risk where they exist. People report ill health. Cattle die off. "
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. Not what you were asked, but still I am happy this is your question. None that I know of. But that is not my claim or the claim of anything I have yet submitted.
     
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    Alex Jones website, InfoWars.com, has been labeled as a fake news website;.
    which makes it understandable why you can't present something from a credible (preferably scientific) source that supports the InfoWars video.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What you forgot is you ruled out much of what you offer using those 10 year rules. Hockey stick? Vanished. Work by Hansen? Never happened. So much you have relied on .... a smudge from the past.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your argument is bogus.

    I made that clear much earlier on.

    The site is not important. What part of the content do you think is wrong?
     
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    Whatever Robert says is well thought out and based on facts and science.
    God bless him and enrich his territory.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you very much.
     
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    Then why post them?' If they support the global warming hypothesis then why would you post articles contrary to you stated beliefs?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My stated belief is warm and cold are cycles of earth. I invited you to study real research by a genuine Climate expert.
     
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    My "argument" is based on what you said in post #772
    "Windmills for instance are proving a health risk where they exist. People report ill health. Cattle die off. "
    What is clear is that you can't back up the bogus Info Wars video with a credible source.
    You perpetuated a story from a conspiracy site.The fact that you think where you got it from is "not important" is very telling.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cosmo, let's call it a day.

    I will locate a poster actually interested in this.
     
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    Who does not address your stated hypothesis. There was NOTHING in that list of papers that actually either supported or disproved the hypothesis that warming and cooling are "natural cycles"

    Random papers do not prove your point
     
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    Locate credible sources for your posts instead of sycophants.
     
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    Even if it is true about CO2 as Global Warming Chicken Littles claim,
    it is now - Not A Problem!


    Artificial photosynthesis turns
    greenhouse gases into clean air

    April 25 (UPI) -- Scientists have found a way to trigger artificial photosynthesis using a new synthetic material. The method could be used to simultaneously generate energy and convert greenhouse gases into clean air. . . .

    http://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...reenhouse-gases-into-clean-air/8281493143032/

    To support this technology we all must help generate more CO2. :woot:
    CO2 is now So What too. Sort of.


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    No Canada-1.png
    Stop Creeping :flagcanada:ism
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    Um, no. That's an experimental technology. It's like saying fusion power will solve everything. That technology may end up being worthwhile, but in any case it's going to take a long time, and the amount of CO2 it can remove will be fairly small compared to CO2 emissions.

    There is no single magic bullet to fix the global warming problem. There are just thousands of little solutions that combine to make the overall solution.
     
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