Lets Talk About the Whistleblower Eric Ciaramella ***POLL***

You're right, Snowdon and Assange should be protected - but not treasonous acts towards our president, because then we're making a mockery of our democracy.

 

Interesting.. So fishing the "complaint" to the House, namely to Schiff is "proper"? Since when? Having the staff of Schiff write the complaint is "proper"? Really?

The fact is that for this to be proper, whistleblower should have been first hand knowledge, clearly this didn't happen, and for the whistleblower to be within the law, his first hand knowledge of the circumstances would have had to be something within his organizational purview. These are all aspects of the current law that have been entirely ignored because Schiff manufactured this complaint int he first place to keep his circus going a little longer.

 

This shitbag leaker should be terminated immediately and walked out of whatever government building he's currently hiding in. There is no whistleblower statute that applies to the President, period. That's the dumbest **** the Dems have come up with to date.

Furthermore for those who seem to not be able to comprehend what the Constitution clearly states.....there MUST be a crime to invoke the jurisdiction of Congress to start any impeachment process. If you have been duped by CNN into believing it's a 'political process', then you can't be helped. High crime = treason; misdemeanor = bribery. No crime = no jurisdiction to impeach.

Slick Willy signed the Treaty with Ukraine decades ago that MANDATES cooperation into corruption/investigations. Adam POSchiff's latest stunt won't prevent the Dem's hero deep staters from being perp walked. Ukraine ADMITTED they interfered in our 2016 election and tried to get Hildabeast elected.

 

I think "traitor" is too strong a term in this case.

But there is no question this IS a lynch job. The Dems are making fools of themselves. Their laundry is just as dirty as Trump's laundry, and neither rises to the level of treason IMO.

Ciaramella is a CIA dude, and they want Trump out. He is doing as he is being told to do.

For Caesar his enemies used a dagger. For Trump they are using political machinations.

 

The complaint was taken to the Inspector General. It was up to the Inspector General to decide if it warranted further action. If you have a beef, it's with the IG, not the whistleblower. And please, don't give us the "I read it in a blog," law school crap.

 

However, and despite my distaste for anonymous accusations, the sins and beliefs of the whistle-blower are irrelevant. What is relevant are the facts. These are the facts: Trump did ask a foreign government to investigate a political opponent his personal political gain.

Lets have the trial, and let it be based on facts, not character assassination. If we do, justice will prevail.

It would be foolish to leave a wannabe tyrant as President of America, the damage would be severe.

 

Because they have a political motivation.

 

It's a coup attempt to take out the President and to undermine anything and everything he is trying to do. It doesn't matter what Trump's aim was in all of this, his opponents will do whatever they can to take him out. They have been openly discussing such things since he was elected.

 

Yes, and then if a Democrat is elected, he too should be impeached in retaliation, and then it should go on and on until we have complete anarchy. I mean what good is it throwing the rest of the world into chaos with our NGO's and regime changes, if we don't enter the fray as well?

Uncle Sam's my name,
and regime change my game.
Okay so it's wrong, but so what?
I'll sing the song anyway - Jeannette

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No. Both the Intelligence IG and the Director of National Intelligence (both Trump appointees) have testified that the Whistleblower's action was legal, credible and urgent.

 

What Trump said in the telephone call is a far cry from the interpretations given by mad men like Schiff. There's a saying that the best defense is an offense, and that is exactly what the Democrats are doing to protect their skin.

Trump is closing in on their wrong doings over the Steele dossier and with their foreign involvements (which is treasonous), and they're trying to distract from it with deceptive accusations and an impeachment of Trump before they all end up in jail.

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I'm doing what you said, so
leave me alone, leave me alone!


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Nope.

The convention adopted “high crimes and misdemeanors” with little discussion. Most of the framers knew the phrase well. Since 1386, the English parliament had used “high crimes and misdemeanors” as one of the grounds to impeach officials of the crown. Officials accused of “high crimes and misdemeanors” were accused of offenses as varied as misappropriating government funds, appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by Parliament, promoting themselves ahead of more deserving candidates, threatening a grand jury, disobeying an order from Parliament, arresting a man to keep him from running for Parliament, losing a ship by neglecting to moor it, helping “suppress petitions to the King to call a Parliament,” granting warrants without cause, and bribery. Some of these charges were crimes. Others were not. The one common denominator in all these accusations was that the official had somehow abused the power of his office and was unfit to serve.

 

No aid and no meeting until Biden is investigated. That’s about as black and white as it gets.

 

Sounds like politics, Soviet style. Maybe Trump needs help from Putin on how to become a real tyrant instead of a wannabe.

 

You are making a false supposition... you are speculating! Your putting words in his mouth. The only thing we know for certain is that Trump was requesting that Ukraine to look into possible corruption regarding hunter biden. And why woundnt he? Because we have Joe Biden on video bragging about getting the attorney general of Ukraine fired... thats valid cause for investigation, dont you think?

-Trump made promises to draw the swamp years ago. I think this is probably why the left acknowledged approval for the impeachment from day one, they felt justified (if Trump promised to go after them; they can do the same and promise to attack and remove Trump by any means possible.)

Political gain here is irrelevant because Trump could easily chew Biden up and spit him out. Trumps really after rooting out corruption and this call to the president of the Ukraine is a key indicator of that. He was after corruption NOT political gain. And even if he was after political gain, which he is not, that would still NOT be a crime or an impeachable offense.

The reason I say this is because liberal logic is always diametrically opposed to the truth. Democrats are always 180* in the opposite direction pulling some twisted manipulation scheme (both on themselves and the American people). Don't believe me? Just take a good look at the politics surrounding Abraham Lincoln during the civil war.

You've been sold a pipe dream, hoodwinked.

 

This is an impeachment, not a real trial, the ultimate jury is the American people. If this clown show blows up on the Democrats, which is likely given their abject stupidity since Trump's election, they will lose all their political power. If they somehow don't muck it up entirely they might keep the House, but unlikely if they don't make this a fair and open process that the American people can follow every step of the way. They can't just make sweeping accusations and expect the people to allow it to be done in secret...

 

No matter how you add it up, 2 + 2 = 4.

 

Exactly correct. Hunter + Joe = corruption

 

Whatever the Biden’s sins, imagine or real, it doesn’t alter Trump’s solicitation of a foreign government to investigate his political opponent in exchange for a meeting and aid. That is immoral, and intolerable.

 

So it's a sin to look into possible corruption in our government now? Because according to your position on the matter, it is. Apparently a sin so egregious we must hold meeting after meeting behind closed doors in the basement of the Capital building in order to shape a specific narrative. We keep the American people in the dark because we don't respect America or its people. Am I right?

 

And what sin is that? Honoring his oath of office and investigating the source of the 2016 election interference by the Democrats in collusion with Ukraine?

Get over it. Hillary lost. The slimy bitch cheated and still lost.

Her husband signed a TREATY with Ukraine that mandates Trump do exactly as he is doing. If that flies right over your head, I suggest you go read the treaty for yourself.

 

Ah, the true believers. Whatcha gonna do.

Another’s crime doesn’t excuse yours.

 

No need to complicate this. I have defended trump at various times from those that saw their proscessors burn out and biological computers crash when the impossible happen and trump beat clinton.

Simply said if trump broke some law he should be held accountable with the usual procedures.

But the blower of whistles should be known by the people for transparency in such cases should be paramount.

Sure the blower may be a trump hater and looking for trump to screw up since day one. But that does not affect the law breaking.

If it is true that trump did it and its illegal then it becomes a simple affair. Follow the law.

But all blowers should be known. In politics . No blower of whistles should hide like a criminal . Or be considered a traitor. But congratulated .

The fear for his or her life deal is crazy. Unless you think the clinton body count has merit to it. No one gets killed over party poltics! Seth Rich was not killed because he ddownloaded DNC emails and passed them on via courier to wilkileaks.



Blowers of whistles need to fear not. Our republic doesn't smell like bananas It smells like a bank vault filled with new 100 dollar bills.

 

Completely nonsense conspiracy theory fantasy. Nice to know how much hate you have for ethics and the rule of law.

 

Nothing in that law says to keep their ID private. On the other hand, why don't you ask Obama?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...standard-obama-david-petraeus-chelsea-manning