Lets talk quid pro quo

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  1. Robert E Allen

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    Trump didn't trust his ambassadorial staff. Right or wrong he believed other sources.
    So it doesn't matter what was debunked because all of this hinges on his intentions which you cannot discern from any point of view but his.
     
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    Now that you have imagined these things, prove it. Oh, and opinion, presumption, assumption, and speculations are irrelevant
     
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    My god man, you still believe that sh-t? It's pretty pathetic when you believe rumors started by Russia especially when every intelligence agency in our government has informed us that 1. Russia supported trump in the 2016 election and 2. Russia is behind the rumor that Ukraine was helping Hillary.
     
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    Sorry...but not just the ambassadorial staff, who was apparently being bad-mouthed by Rudy & Associates in order to get her out of the way of deals they were trying to implement, but his own National Security Staff, the State Department, our intelligence agencies and DoJ.
    IMO, the President is trying to do everything possible to discredit the conclusion of all of the above regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election.
    Tell me how the GOP is going to run next year on a "Pro-Putin Platform?"
     
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    After what the FBI did to him. Why should he believe anyone in government?

    None of this has anything to do with what is true. It's about what Trump believed.
     
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    What do you think the FBI did to him?
     
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    Targeted him in a biased corrpt investigation.
     
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    It's insane. They hate Trump. Just like Trump-Russia collusion, they create imagined crimes out of thin air. Then when those crimes are proven to have never taken place they imagine that Trump tried to commit them anyway. How can anyone find justice with a system like that? They can't.
     
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    No...Comey assured him three times that he was NOT the target of an FBI investigation. Trump has admitted such. Trump then asked Rosenstein for a memo regarding his opinion on Comey's actions connected with the Clinton e-mail investigation. Rosenstein replied that it would be difficult for Comey to overcome the negative press and its impact on FBI morale. Trump, then fired Comey, and told the Russian Ambassador and Foreign Minister that he fired him over the Russian investigation, repeating that to Lester Holt on national TV.
    At that point, Rosenstein appointed Special Counsel Robert Mueller and charged him with an investigation into the possible conspiracy of members of the Trump campaign and the Russians and the possibility of obstruction of justice by the President, in the Comey firing.
     
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    FBI investigations don't "prove innocence." They only evaluate evidence and determine whether or not there is sufficient evidence to rise to the level of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Mueller stated that they did not find such in regard to "conspiracy." But, that was then...and prior to the Roger Stone trial and the Horowitz investigation and the Durham report. Stay tuned...more to come.
     
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    Two names. Peter Strozk, Lisa Page.

    No investigation with those two at the top could ever be considered anything but a partizan partizan witch hunt.
     
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    They were expressing personal opinions, while carrying on a personal affair. Mueller removed them from his team to avoid the appearance of impropriety. If you have some evidence against them that would support a conspiracy against Trump, cite it.
     
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    They decided Clinton was innocent before investigating key witnesses and they decided Trump was guilty before interviewing a single witness. Their texts prove their bias. There is no way that with those personal opinions they could have performed an unbiased investigation.
     
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    After what the FBI did to him? You've got to be kidding. Comey gave trump the presidency for christ sakes. When he announced he was re-opening the case on Hillary with about a week to go before the election don't you think that a few voters setting on the fence suddenly decided to vote for trump. Man, get your face out of FOX and learn what's been going on.
     
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    I doubt they made the final decisions...but if you have proof, cite it. In the case of Clinton, Lynch made the final decision, based on Comey's recommendation. In the Mueller investigation, AG Barr made the final decision when he decided what to release in the Mueller report.
     
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    Even Sonland had to admit that he only presumed there was a qudi pro quo. He said no one told there was one, he just created it, and presumed it were true
     
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    Comey was forced to "reopen the case," because all those emails were found on the Wienner laptop. So Comey had to tell everyone that there was nothing to see, to kill the notion that the data on that laptop was incriminating, otherwise Hilary`s opponents would hang that posibility over her headposibility like a dark cloud.
     
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    That is nothing but worthles conjecture.
     
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    Do you think it's "conjecture" that Trump has never believed in the Russian interference in the election?
     
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    The majority of the US disagrees.

    But you are free to have your own worthless conjecture as he is getting impeached.
     
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    From what I saw in these impeachment inquiries, he had justification to doubt them.

    Despite supposedly being high level experts on all things related to Ukraine, neither Sonland nor Vinman were aware thar Joe Biden used $1 billion is US aid to blackmail Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating Hunter Biden's former employer.

    Sonland didn't even know Hunter was employed by Burisma to sit on their board of directors.

    Neither man knew about the forced firing of the prosecutor, nor its connection to Hunter. They did not go to their superiors to have clarified for them, about the things Trump said thingsin the phone call.

    Why would Trump trust imbeciles like that. They just made up their own assumptions for Trump, and assigned nefarious motivations and intentions to Trump. They went behind Trump's back, spreading rumors and gossip. No wonder Trump is sidestepping these idiots
     
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    Red herring
     
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    The majority believed the Democrats and news media about Trump-Russia collusion too. That was also based upon nothing but rumor and conjecture.
     
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    Agreed on this point. Lots of reasons for her loss. Pneumonia near the end of the campaign. Inept campaign leadership. The Russians. Etc. Perhaps, the most significant was the Russian exposure of the DNC bias toward Clinton and away from Bernie. Among a sizable group within the Democratic Party, Hillary had always been a little bit too close to Wall Street. Her refusal to make public some of those Goldman Sachs speeches hurt her as well. Both the Democratic Left and the Republican Right populists tend to be anti-Corporate and anti-Wall Street, each with their own particular billionaires playing the role of "detractors" from economic issues to social issues. Another issue that may have hurt her was the BLM movement, which may have kept African-AMerican vote in Milwaukee, Detroit and Philadelphia at home. Had that portion of the electorate turned out as they had for Obama, she would have probably won Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. A touch of irony.
     
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    Nah...the "red herring" was and is the Steele Dossier.
     

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