Leukemia Treatment "Virtually Eradicates" Cancer

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...700.html?1313011575&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008

    I'm not going to set my hope too high, but this is great news so far.
     
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    This is a pretty amazing development and I look forward to what other cancers they can eliminate when they program t-cells to attack specific types.
     
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    This doesn't surprise me, but it's good news.
     
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    3 patients isn't a significant enough sample size to determine anything at all. The fact that they felt the need to make a press release about this implies that they're not so interested in the science, and just want to get paid.

    The first successful human test of a Polio vaccine was done in early 1950. The first effective method was in 1952. In 1953, Salk was telling people to be patient, and that it takes time. First significant test (also ended up being the largest test in history) was started in early 1954. It was made publically available in mid-1955.

    The problem with things like this, is that science reporting gets blown way out of proportion, as in cases like this. In science, people spend years developing a treatment, years testing it on one group, years testing it on another group, and at the end of that, it's something worth saying, "This might work." But people don't like hearing that because it's not exciting, it's not concrete.

    In the end, you can pretty much ignore all science reporting. They want the "exciting" discoveries, and want nothing to do with real science.
     
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    Mebbe dey could use it against other cancers...
    :)
    'Serial Killer' Cells Demolish Leukemia Tumors
    August 15, 2011 - Test patients show complete remission or significant improvement
     
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    But I thought Fetal Stem Cells were the cure to all cancers?

    This is interesting, but it is a long ways from being any form of treatment. And now that this is out, expect 500 off-shore clinics in thried world nations to pop up claiming to give the exact same treatments.
     
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    Mebbe kids should play inna dirt...
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    Soil bacterium helps kill cancers
    4 September 2011 - Clostridium sporogenes cannot grow where there is oxygen
     
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    Disabled AIDS virus kills leukemia cells...
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    Researchers Develop Promising Treatment for Leukemia
    December 11, 2012 - An experimental leukemia therapy appears to have successfully eliminated the lethal blood cancer in some patients. The treatment, which involves a disabled form of the virus that causes AIDS, revs-up immune system cells that then specifically target the malignant cells.
     
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    I have been hearing about this on the tv and radio this week. It is GREAT news. Finally....some hope that they could be on the right track for curing cancer. Truly amazing that they can take something so awful....HIV virus....and turn it into something good. Having lost 2 close family members to cancer.....and many close friends, I am PRAYING this is going to be the answer.

    The other good news about it is that it is supposedly not as expensive as a bone marrow transplant.
     
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    So, if they're going in and modifying DNA, couldn't they make someone genetically immune to certain cancers, and make that hereditary?
     
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    However, this is also a very dangerous form of treatment. It was only given to her because she would not have lived more then 2 or 3 days otherwise. It had also been tried 2 times before, both times the treatment was a failure (however, Emily and the other 7 who got it afterwards have survived, with various levels of leukemia reduction).

    And even successfull, the treatment was not without risk. The girl then went through a "Cytokine Storm", which is the result of the now mutated T-cells attacking the cancerous cells. This put her in the ICU, and almost killed her. Her lungs filled up with fluid, her blood pressure dropped dangerously low, her kidneys grew in danger of shutting down because of the now deadly levels of dead cells flooding her system, and she was on death's door when yet another drug was given to her to try and save her life yet again (this time it was an experimental arthritis drug). She still spent over a week in a coma.

    And now her immune system is permanently altered, with her body now producing the mutated T-cells. What this will mean to her imune system in the years and decades to come will remain to be seen (not being alarmist, just being realistic here). The cells will continue to attack her leukemia if it tries to return, but will the modified T-cells be as effective in fighting off other infections? While I have no doubt that she will not get HIV, who knows what the long term effect on her T-cells and their ability to fight infections?

    This is in no way ready to be used other then in extreme situations. If given a choice between this or bone marrow, I know which I would take, hands down.

    Oh, and for those that scream that drug companies make to much money, this entire research project was funded by a drug company. Over $20 million has been spent on this so far. That is a lot of money for a possible treatment that may never be used.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/10/h...sing-altered-t-cells.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    This is yet another case of something I find very disturbing. I have seen and read many reports of this but almost none talk about how she almost died from the treatment. Once again people are claiming that this is a panacea, but I see it as to dangerous to use other then in extreme situations with unknown long-term effects. We may save people from leukemia, only to see them die from something else like chicken pox, because her modified cells can no longer fight off the other diseases.

    So consider me sceptical, awaiting the long-term results before encouraging more experimentation is done along this line.
     
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    Leukemia's origins tracked back to the womb...
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    Scientists track leukaemia's origins 'back to the womb'
    8 April 2013 - Scientists say they have traced the root genetic cause of leukaemia back to early life in the womb.
     
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    Granny says, "Awww - ain't dat a cute baby?...
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    Gene-edited immune cells treat 1-year-old's 'incurable' leukemia
    Nov. 6, 2015 | Doctors called the success of the treatment "a miracle," and the company developing it is accelerating the start of clinical trials.
    See also:

    Study: Gut Bacteria May Improve Cancer Drugs' Effectiveness
    November 06, 2015 - There are hundreds of trillions of microscopic, single-celled microbes in your gut, approximately 10 times the number of cells in your entire body. Most of them benefit us in some way. Entire scientific endeavors are now devoted to trying to figure what these so-called microbiota do.
     
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    Useful against a hard to treat form of leukemia...
    :cool:
    Blood cancer drug has "life-changing" results in study
    Nov. 11, 2015 - The drug had a swift effect in most patients and showed "significant" improvement when used in one hard-to-treat form of leukemia.
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    FDA approves drug combination for melanoma treatment
    Nov. 11, 2015 | A two-drug combination proved more effective than use of single drugs, resulting in fewer secondary tumors and better effects on shrinking tumors that cannot be removed with surgery.
     
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    Retroviral vectors like the vector based on the HIV virus are great vectors for gene therapy because they're so infectious except for retroviral vectors tendency to attach to the hosts genome and then detach and re-attach somewhere else in a process known as template switching.

    Template switching makes the likelyhood of turning on oncogenes (genes that cause cancer) and turning off tumor suppressor genes greater.

    I earned a High Distinction in Applied Molecular Biology for trying to create a technique to insert antiobiotic resistant genes into retroviral vectors to understand template switching.

    Basically, the technique involved creating a primer with the antiobitic resistance gene attached to the primer and increasing the temperature of TAQ polymerase beyone TAQ polymerases normal physiological temperature which decreases the fidelity of hybridization of nucleotides to the target strand. The fidelity of hybridization of primers longer than 20 nucleotides also decreases the longer the primer gets. I was counting on the antiobiotic resistant gene being incorporated into the target strand based on reducing the fidelity of hybridization by increasing TAQ polymerases hybridization temperature beyond its physiological temperature and also just decreasing the fidelity of hybridization because a primer attached to the antiobiotic resistant gene is a really long primer.
     
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    Beyond five years there's a very significant risk of mortality...
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    Delayed deaths declining among pediatric cancer survivors
    14 Jan.`16 | It's long been known that cancer survivors -- people alive five years after diagnosis -- face a higher risk of premature death, and doctors have made efforts over the decades to reduce those deaths. A new study of childhood cancer cases suggests that the effort has been successful, at least to some degree.
     
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    Set Your Hope!
    Immuno Therapy has been retarded because the patient pool is reduced to those whose
    immune systems have been poisoned with chemo or radiation and not responding so, Why Not!

    Idea: YOU are always getting cancers and your immune system combs them out.
    Immuno Surveillance.
    Immune compromised persons do get more malignancies.
    Immune Rx would be my Rx of First Choice.
    Before you cut, chemo or radiate - teach my immune system to reject it.
    Memory is durable through "poisoning" and may result in - not needing Cut, Chemo or Radiation.


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


     
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    Cancer rates rise among young...
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    Teen cancer death rate causes alarm
    Fri, 27 May 2016 - Too many teenagers and young adults are dying of some types of cancer, a Europe-wide report warns.
     
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    Children had cancer cured with GM T-cells from another person...
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    Medical first,children had cancer cured with genetically engineered T-cells from another person
    January 26, 2017 - Doctors in London say they have cured two babies of leukemia in the world’s first attempt to treat cancer with genetically engineered immune cells from a donor.
     
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    Should I have cancer, No Chemo or Radiation for me.
    Those therapies weaken immunity.
    I would jump straight for the immunotherapy with an intact immune system.


    Moi :oldman: M.D. ret.
    Old theory, Immunosurveillance combs through your tissues, search & destroy malignant like cells.
    Problem: Why / How does a malignancy sneak through immunosurveillance?
    Damaging the immune system. Radiation. First the leukemias/Lymphomas, then the solid organ cancers.
    Check out Red Rock Canyon, Hollywood, John Wayne, Paulette Goddard, Pedro Armendariz
    <hint>


    r > g
    Esp. for Cancer Rx :hmm:


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    WHO says Cancer Incidence Increasing Among Children Worldwide...
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    Cancer Incidence Increases Among Children Worldwide
    April 13, 2017 | WASHINGTON — The number of newly diagnosed childhood cancer cases worldwide rose by 13 percent during the past two decades, according to an agency of the World Health Organization.
     
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    Sadly standard Chemo and Radiation therapy destroys the Immune System's
    ability to recognize new challenges.

    Should I get cancer requiring systemic treatment,
    I would go straight for Immune Therapy.
    Luckily I :weed: daily since 1967 and have never encountered a malignancy. :woot:

    Moi, M.D. ret.
    Also took immunology elective pursuing my BSc in Biology.


    r > g


    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
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    And consider the importance of house cats.
    We have had a Leukemia immunization as well as an AIDS immunization
    for them for decades.

    I suspect the Childhood form is a virus that "normal" kids fight it off and
    kids with compromised immune systems get the malignancy.

    It is important to remember malignancy is a symptom, like high blood sugar
    it may be cause by a variety of factors. Genetics. Chemicals. Radiation. Infection.
    And there are several kinds of Leukemia too. Acute Lymphoblastic being the most
    common childhood form.


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


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    Embryonic cells are used as tissue culture, which is essentially the model system for performing experiments in human cells. They're not a cure as much as they are the tool necessary to develop treatments and recapitulate cancer-related phenotypes.
     
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