Obama who condones drone strikes and raids in foreign lands. President Francois Holland of France who has ordered military intervention in Mali without international approval. How anyone can say these people are truly "liberal" is beyond me.
Well its either drone strikes or invasion. Those are the choices, but just leaving islamic radicals alone to plot, plan and carry out devastating raids on the west is not an acceptable solution to the problem. Who need international approval to attack and kill enemies of the west? You act as if Islamic radicals are just sitting harmlessly around playing Kumayah. They aren't. They are dangerous and must be killed like the rabid dogs they are.
It's not a simple question of troops live's verses remote lethality. With armed drones, a power has the ability to extend violence to an area it never intended to engage with troops merely because drones offers the capability to inflict pain with out receiving it, and cheaply at that. This, aside from the questions of whether these things are legal or even warranted. The only way we really know about drone targets is through indirect media. That's a dangerous view to have. Under your logic, anyone the government/military claims is a radical/terrorist/insurgent/evil-doer can be killed without needing to prove it. But even if that were the case, innocent people are usually killed along with the target. A person like you would likely see this as an acceptable loss for the higher goal unless such a tactic was used against you or people you know...then it's terrorism.
They are Marxists... don't ever forget it. 3 tenets of Marxism: Class Warfare Socialism Centralize Government Control ... Marxists also have a nasty habit of attacking others to bring them under their control.
Hilarious that you seem to equate what many regard as liberalism as "Marxism". So very knee-jerkish but when compared to reality and those you prefer to demonize isn't at all what true liberals believe. Demonisation has always been an effective tool.
Yeah, I am sure blowing away Islamists in mali and pakistan is going to force them to be states/be under our control.
It's very annoying to hear those types. You're a liberal, or you're a conservative...Their whole world seems to circle around that concept.
Wasn't government of Mali asked for help ? When the legitimate government of a friendly country asks for a helping hand you shouldn't give it ?
Sure only the country itself, all its neighbours and the UN who is readying a peace mission to benefit from this. France doesnt attack countries its not good france does attack its not good. Funny to see you siding with al qaida now. - - - Updated - - - If you are france when you give it or dont give it doesnt matter some dont like you and will always look for excuses to criticise.
Anyone who says Obama is a liberal has a strange definition of liberal. How liberal was it to: keep the wars going Extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich Sign the Korea Free Trade Act, which is really NAFTA for the Far East Appoint so many conservatives to his administration? The term liberal is meaningless the way people use it around here. - - - Updated - - - Anyone who says Obama is a liberal has a strange definition of liberal. How liberal was it to: keep the wars going Extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich Sign the Korea Free Trade Act, which is really NAFTA for the Far East Appoint so many conservatives to his administration? The term liberal is meaningless the way people use it around here.
I Mali paying for the intervention? You know Obama is gutting national defense because he wants more welfare for Obama voters. We can't afford any new military interventions at this time. - - - Updated - - - There are no conservatives in Obama's administration.
Well, libertarianism is more consistently non-interventionist. Liberalism, both in America and Europe, has had a mixed record on interventionism. Only one thing is for sure: both liberals and conservatives tend to be hypocrites on foreign policy. They're pro-war when their party is in power while anti-war when it's not. - - - Updated - - - Marxists support the abolition of government -- not centralization of power.
How could anyone say such a thing? Neither one of these men are liberals in the classical sense. I hate how people constantly confuse that term with Leftist.... .
Because if you can't find enough to agree with in order to join one of the two parties, that means you are just a fringe radical advocating non-mainstream ideas and solutions, often to problems that don't really exist.
Have you ever considered the idea that it's mostly an illusion of choice? Foreign policy is where this is most blatant. There's a reason why Romney barely had any disagreements with Obama on foreign policy. More often than not, differences in social issues seem to be where the party cheerleading resonates, but the economic and foreign policies between Democrats and Republicans aren't as different as is often assumed.
That is simply not true anymore. The use of the State to confiscate private property is of absolute importance to Marxist Doctrine. I don't see Hugo Chavez or Castro abolishing their centralized States!
Chavez and Castro aren't true Marxists. Granted, the Soviets and Maoists weren't true Communists. Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Lenin, and Mao could all be described as state Communists, however. Chavez and Castro aren't as extreme as the other 3, but they have both used government to seize private assets. It would be more accurate to describe Chavez and Castro as socialists. Marxist is kind of an outdated term anyway. It's like calling someone a Communist. There are Communist parties in Europe, but at best, they're on the fringe.
I don't even understand what the point of the OP was. One of our most 'liberal' Presidents was FDR....then there were JFK and Clinton. Liberals and Conservatives alike are not defined by whether or not they decide to involve the U.S. in another country. - - - Updated - - - I don't even understand what the point of the OP was. One of our most 'liberal' Presidents was FDR....then there were JFK and Clinton. Liberals and Conservatives alike are not defined by whether or not they decide to involve the U.S. in another country.
