Libs, it's time to start thinking for yourself. They are brain washing you.

China doesn't even want to buy our garbage anymore

www.washingtonpost.com/.../chinas-crackdown-on-trash-could-make-it-...‎

May 9, 2013 - Since 2007, one of America's top exports to China has been... trash. ... return-trip containers with recycled cardboard boxes, waste paper and ...

 

What has that got to do with global trading? They would have just as likely died in a shanty in Haiti. I think you present a false dichotomy.

 

One of, if not the biggest ticket item we sell China is commercial airplanes. I don't think that will last to much longer, as they will be putting their own commercial planes in the air in about two years, with the help of GE who will be making their engines for them. Bet they will then try and under cut Boeing in world sales.

Classic Airliner: The Shanghai Y-10 – China’s First Commercial Airliner

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013...anghai-y-10-chinas-first-commercial-airliner/

 

You keep saying that, but most of your posts indicate something else. Liberals bad. Republicans good. We got it.

 

Wait, which aspect of my post do you want to know an example about?

Wasn't the global recession proof enough of what I said?

The cost of my grocery bill has never gone down . Neither has the price of gas. Or the tax bill. Where has globalization lowered my costs of living in the USA? No where. It just means I need more money to get the basics of life than someone in China, or Haiti.

Where are the $5,000 / year jobs? I haven't seen them, neither can people afford to live in the USA on such wages without financial help.

If wages actually went down like that, that means customers can't buy goods anymore. And without customers, sales numbers go down, Companies go under, and the financial outlook of the nation gets worse. For years, our economy has become a stagnate pay scale where workers are just recycling money in the retail industry. Pay Peter so he can pay Paul. And now underemployment is the norm of the day. That's less money all around.

But so tell me, who has the money to make a free market work if the only countries are the poor exploited nations, and the recession strapped masses just buying the basics of life? Where is the profit?

 

Now I showed you how Japan has been screwing us, lets look at what China is doing.

If an American company moves a plant to China, they are required to join up with a similar Chines company. It helps in a way to learn how to operate in China. But what happens is, the Chinese company has full access to all the American technology to their product and after a few years will break from the American company and use that American technology they got to build that product themselves and under cut the American company.

 

You hate Asians. We got it.

 

Global recession only proves that trading makes nations richer. Government debt spending is why costs don't go down as much as they should. Inflation etc.. Too many dollars chasing to few goods being produced. Some people get paid to talk and regulate and other produce things of value. If they are both paid when they shop in effect they bid against another. What does that do to the price of valuable goods?

 

What China doesn't steal from American partners, the steal another way.


China Steals American Energy Technology







By Erin Allworth, Boston Globe
In June, an American Superconductor Corp. field crew in China doing routine inspections of wind turbines for the company’s biggest customer noticed something was not right. The blades were spinning on a turbine thought to be out of operation.

Once they opened the machine, the team from the Devens-based company made a startling find. Someone had replicated American Superconductor’s electrical control system software almost perfectly. Only an identification number was off.

This discovery culminated last week with American Superconductor accusing its largest customer, wind turbine maker Sinovel Wind Group Co. of Beijing, of stealing its technology. During the past three months, American Superconductor has turned to authorities in Austria, China, and the United States to help it press criminal, civil, and commercial charges against Sinovel, which denies any wrongdoing.

The outcome has implications not only for American Superconductor but for the alternative energy industry and the Massachusetts economy. Earlier this year, American Superconductor cut nearly one-third of its workforce.

“Massachusetts jobs are at stake and so is the future of Sino-American collaboration in this [alternative energy] sector,’’ said Senator John F. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat who is Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman. “American businesses won’t make investments there if this can happen to them.’’

The situation highlights long-running tensions between the United States and China over protecting intellectual property, from hardware to software to movies on DVDs. For the past decade, China has been the top source of intellectual property rights violations, a report by US customs, immigration, and border protection officials found.

Major US corporations, such as Microsoft Corp., Motorola Inc., and Cisco Systems Inc., have pursued cases against Chinese companies over intellectual property, winning court judgments or settlements to regain control of their technologies, according to news reports.

Thomas F. Holt Jr., who teaches international intellectual property at Tufts University’s Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, said American Superconductor’s case underscores issues critical for state and federal governments, such as ensuring that companies making advances in the promising green technology sector are protected. China has emerged as a top competitor in alternative energy, an innovation sector the United States has hoped to dominate and Massachusetts has aspired to lead.

“With persistent unemployment in the United States, any action by China that overtly deprives Americans of jobs is a hot political issue,’’ Holt said. “And if you combine that with the fact that it involves green technology, this story becomes even more compelling.’’

But Kelly Sims Gallagher, a professor of energy and environmental policy at Tufts, cautioned against viewing American Superconductor’s case as “a malicious underlying effort by the Chinese government to undermine the American clean-energy industry.’’

“This is the big bad world of industry, and competition is fierce,’’ she said.
Founded in 1987, American Superconductor makes control systems, power cable systems, and other advanced electronics for wind turbines and utilities. It started selling to Sinovel in 2006, and the companies helped each other prosper. Sinovel, now China’s leading wind turbine maker, became American Superconductor’s biggest customer, accounting for nearly 80 percent of the Devens company’s revenue at the end of last year.

The relationship soured this spring when Sinovel began refusing to accept and pay for American Superconductor’s shipments. Rumors swirled that Sinovel was about to switch suppliers.

As a result, American Superconductor estimated in a regulatory filing, its revenue plunged 90 percent in the first quarter, to less than $10 million from nearly $100 million a year earlier. Its stock dove 80 percent, to $5.33 Friday from nearly $25 in April. Roughly 150 workers lost jobs.

When the field crew made its discovery in China in June, American Superconductor officials began to suspect that the loss of Sinovel’s business was related to the theft of its technology, according to sources familiar with the situation, who requested anonymity because an investigation is ongoing.

Few of American Superconductor’s employees have access to codes that would allow someone to bypass encryptions used to protect software, and only one had that access along with significant contact with Sinovel, the sources said. The company’s investigation quickly focused on an engineer who worked at AMSC Windtec, its subsidiary in Klagenfurt, Austria.

Company officials and Austrian authorities questioned the man, who has not been named, in the office before interrogating him further at a police station, where he was arrested in July.

Helmut Jamnig, spokesman for the federal prosecutor’s office in Klagenfurt, said the engineer, a 38-year-old Serbian man who had worked for American Superconductor for several years, told authorities he was paid nearly $20,700 to pass internal documents to a Chinese company from January through June. He gathered much of the data by plugging external hard drives into his work laptop in April and downloading data from a company network.

The employee, Jamnig said, is scheduled to go on trial Friday on charges of “fraudulent misuse of data processing’’ and misdemeanor spotting or reconnoitering “of a trade secret in favor of a foreign entity.’’

Sinovel explicitly denied it stole American Superconductor’s technology, insisting American Superconductor’s products did not comply with Chinese power grid requirements and were prone to failure.

“It couldn’t adapt to global needs, especially the rapid growth of China wind power technology,’’ Sinovel said, according to a translation of a statement issued in Mandarin Friday. Sinovel said it had to spend money and rely on its own innovations to fix problems with American Superconductor’s products.

Holt, the intellectual property rights specialist from Tufts, said he was skeptical of Sinovel’s defense. A partner at the K&L Gates law firm, which has offices in Asia, Holt has written extensively about US-Chinese tensions as China has emerged as an economic power.

“Chinese companies, once they acquire the needed technology, will often abandon their Western partners on the pretext the technology or product failed to meet Chinese governmental regulations,’’ Holt said. “This is yet another example of a Chinese industrial policy aimed at procuring, by virtually any means, technology in order to provide Chinese domestic industries with a competitive advantage.’’

American Superconductor has filed civil and criminal suits in China against Sinovel and several other entities and registered a complaint with the Beijing Arbitration Commission, an organization meant to provide an impartial forum for corporate disputes. The company said it will seek monetary damages from Sinovel and an order that the Chinese company pay for its technology or stop using it.

American Superconductor said it does not know how long it will take to resolve the case, or what it might cost. In addition to Kerry, the company has received help from the US Embassy in China and Governor Deval Patrick’s administration, said Daniel P. McGahn, American Superconductor’s chief executive.

“This is obviously a big event, when we look at trade, when we look at energy cooperation,’’ McGahn said. “It’s not just about American Superconductor, and that’s why I think you’re seeing the political interest that you do.’’

William P. Alford, director of East Asian legal studies at Harvard Law School, said American Superconductor may have a strong case, but enforcement of China’s intellectual property laws can be uneven. China has not put a lot of emphasis on individual ownership of ideas, he said.

In addition, though China has extensive intellectual property laws, enforcing them can be hard, especially if local governments are receiving illicit payments or are legitimately trying to boost local industries and employment.

“We’re such a law-oriented culture here that we think when somebody has broken the law and taken advantage of you, you go to court and get justice,’’ Alford said. “And that’s not the way it always works in China.’’

http://www.americanjobsalliance.com/content/china-steals-american-energy-technology

 

Right and when I complain of 11 million illegals coming into this country and stealing many American jobs, I then hated Brown people. It's not what people do I hate, it's always the color of their skin. Good thinking.

 

The boogeyman is on the roll tonight.

 

I'm a market liberal and I assume you're referring to social liberals (which is what Democrats are), but in any case I already do think for myself as evidently I've been able to get myself at odds with pretty much every ideology on this forum except atheists because, well, that's kind of a 'yes or no' thing.

 

I'm just telling it like it is. We have lost millions of jobs and it seems no one knows really why. It's always the greed of the big corporations. But I challenge anyone to prove anything I said is wrong. I have tried to back all of it up. I care about Americans. I care about the crummy jobs we are left with and there are good reasons behind it and I have tried to point them out so people really understand it. There have been so many lies told.

 

Tell me about it Mr. Boycott GM. Your one of the problems.

 

Jobs will get more competitive once China, India and Brazil have gone through their versions of the industrial revolution and become developed countries. Until then, their economies are more competitive. We'd be fine if the whole world developed at the same time the West did, but that wasn't ever going to happen (and in Africa's case probably never will).

 

Well, that may work for you, though I do wonder how you buy new car so often, but most of us poor shlubs who aren't independently wealthy have to actually spend our money according to who gives us the most value. I know that's unpatriotic as hell but I have to get to work.

So what are you suggesting as a solution? Big tariffs which, effectively, FORCE us to buy American? Again, you may be able to pay $300-500 for a pair of blue jeans or $1000 for a shirt, good for you. I am not. So I will keep on patronizing thrift stores and wearing dead people's clothes. I really have no choice in the matter.

And that's clothes which don't get made by Americans, nor will we be able to sell them in foreign markets, because if we raise our tariffs on their products, what do you think other countries are going to do?

Same goes for televisions, computers, refrigerators etc. If I'm forced to pay outrageous prices just to buy American, I won't, not because I want to but because I CAN'T pay 10 grand for a tv or 20 large for an icebox. I'll have to buy used, improvise or do without. Why do you think I've only owned one new car in my life?

Your attitude to foreign countries seems to be; "How DARE you make better products than us for less. Well, we'll show you, we're going to slap an outrageous tax on our our own citizens who actually buy your products. THAT oughta teach ya."

If you can outline some way we can forbid free trade without causing this problem, I'm willing to listen, but until then I'm going to keep right on shopping at WalMart. I REFUSE to buy used underwear

 

Yes, but trade was started with China under Bush Sr. before NAFTA even passed. I recall being pissed about these airliners because the gyro device could be used in ICBMs, and were on the list of items forbidden to china. Whatever, but Bush started the ball rolling without Congress approval.

Granting a waiver of the sanctions announced by President Bush last month, State Department officials said today that the Boeing Company could sell four commercial jetliners to China.

The waiver involves only the four 757-200 aircraft. But State Department officials said the decision could have important long-term implications for Boeing, which hopes to remain active in China's potentially lucrative market for civilian aircraft.

The decision to grant the waiver was made by Secretary of State James A. Baker 3d and was coordinated with the White House, the officials said.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/08/business/us-grants-boeing-a-waiver-to-sell-jetliners-to-china.html

PS. They didn't use the gyro against us.

 

It's ironic coming from a guy with a background of marine yet he would advocate to limit consumer choices. How patriotic of you.

 

Welll sir, I'm not the kind of American like many of my fellow Republicans that would boycott GM to help them go out of business just because I'm pissed at Obama for bailing them out and hate the union. I think more of American jobs, our largest industry and my country to put politics before the welfare of my country.

 

I believe the wealthiest should be plowing their record profits back into our corporate selves as civil Persons in our Republic.

 

Both sides receive campaign money from corps.
Any one with a brain in their head knew wages were going to come down and profits would go up.

 

I don't boycott GM to (*)(*)(*)(*) off Obama. I boycott GM because of people like you who wants to do everything to limit American consumers to have more choices. Oh btw, your beloved government just betrayed you by selling out Chrysler to Fiat. I can't wait for you to run off your anti-Chrysler rants in the future, it's the same company that you defend to death. Too (*)(*)(*)(*)ing funny.