Libs....Why is Socialist Europe Bankrupt and Collapsing?

Admission is the first step to curing those of you who may be inflicted, and that is the purpose of this thread. I ask Democrats and Statists of all labels to please partake....and answer the question.

Why is Socialist Europe Bankrupt and Collapsing?

Libs I have a few hints.......the answer is not Low Tax Rates, Military Spending, Capitalism, Free Markets, Limited Government, or a lack of Regulation and Government Control....albeit you blame the demise of the United States entirely upon those.

To clear heads and sound minds the answer as to why Socialist Europe is Bankrupt and Collapsing is obvious.....but there are those among us who will find it difficult......as the honest answer exposes the complete fraud and utter lie they believe in.

Libs....Only when you admit to the problem, can we begin repairing the damage you have done. This is where the healing begins.......
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Can Democrats make us #1? Yes They Can!
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Have you looked the debt of USA, because is not much better. And Europe is not socialist. Leave to say nonsense. I am tired of the ignorance of Americans about socialism and other ideologies.

Are so ill by the bipartidism that you're only able to see black and white. There are other spectre of colours.

 

Btw. that chart there doesn't include "unfunded liabilities" (those are huge).

The reason is in short: central-planning.

 

For the same reason capitalist USA is collapsing. Malfeasance among the bankers and traders and the giant siphoning of cash from the middle class. We got a lot in common with Europe. Any more stupid questions?

 

The USA isn't capitalist, but it's for the same reasons.

 

THe US is corporatist....

Corporatist is to Capitalist what Authuritarian Communism is to Socialism.

 

One of the problems is: many nations (including the U.S.) have been living beyond there means accumulating debt for decades. If that is what the OP is trying to show this is not new knowledge.
The Financial industry gambling with people investments is another big problem.

Regardless this Liberal thinks the OP is condescending and insulting.

 

I think the USA IS capitalist. Not that capitalism ever had ANYTHING to do with free markets. Any good capitalist worth his salt despises market economics.

 

Or fascist.

 

Why is 'socialist' Canada's economy doing so much better than the United States?

Why is Germany doing so much better than Ireland?

I know you want this just to be a simple attack on what you consider Socialism, but there is far more to it than that.

 

What I'd like to know is why you selected this particular set of data (which is outdated, by the way, newer, up to date data is available. . .why not use that?)

Second, your comparison between the WHOLE of the US economy, and INDIVIDUAL economies in Europe is comparing apples and oranges.

Why don't you compare either the WHOLE of US economy to the WHOLE of the European Union economy, or individual States in OUR union to individual countries in Europe?

This would be a LOT more telling!

Now, this information is available through Wikepedia, and is more up to date than the one you provided: Here it is:


United States
Total outside Debt: $15,041,163,000,000

30 June 2011

Debt per capita: $47,568

Debt as % of GDP: 99%



European Union

Total outside debt: $ 13,720,000,000,000

30 June 2010

Debt per capita: 27,864

Debt as % of GDP: 85%

 

What I'd like to know is why you selected this particular set of data (which is outdated, by the way, newer, up to date data is available. . .why not use that?)

Second, your comparison between the WHOLE of the US economy, and INDIVIDUAL economies in Europe is comparing apples and oranges.

Why don't you compare either the WHOLE of US economy to the WHOLE of the European Union economy, or individual States in OUR union to individual countries in Europe?

This would be a LOT more telling!

Now, this information is available through Wikepedia, and is more up to date than the one you provided: Here it is:


United States

Total external Debt: $15,041,163,000,000

30 June 2011

Debt per capita: $47,568

Debt as % of GDP: 99%



European Union

Total external debt: $ 13,720,000,000,000

30 June 2010

Debt per capita: 27,864

Debt as % of GDP: 85%

This data comes from the following link, where you can see a lot more details in basically the same table form you provided (but updated).

 

Yes....The USA is on the same path to insolvency as bankrupt Europe.

For the last 100 years the USA has been adopting the tried and failed statist policies and programs of Europe....and the massive (D)ebt and (D)eficits that come with it.

Well call it what you will, and answer the question.....

Why is (insert whatever label of statism you wish) Europe Bankrupt and Collapsing?

Which failing spectre doesnt involve an all powerful all controlling centralized nanny statist government?

The Failing, Bankrupt, and Collapsing countries around the world and throughout history clearly share one commonality.
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I thought those liberal utopias and all powerful statist governemnts you adore....prevented such tragedies.....
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.....the insult is that you continue to vote for more (D)ebt and (D)eficit.
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Because Democrats have taken the United States futher to the Left than Canada...

It can be as complicated or as simple as you want.......but that doesnt change the fact that Statism has failed everywhere and everytime its been tried.
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It is very telling.......



......in less than 200 years, the United States went from rookie status to the most prosperous nation to ever grace the planet. We know what works and what doesnt work.....and Democrats in this country continue to support what doesnt work for some reason.

So why is Socialist Europe Bankrupt and Collapsing?

....You cant get to step 2 until you get past Admission.
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Europa is brainwashed by socialists and communists, therefore it says nothing about creeping Islamization and slowly Transformation to the bunch of poor Caliphates governed by the Sharia law.

 

The European Proletarians will never admit that their societies built welfare states that were so large and all encompassing that it is impossible for their individual nation economies to sustain them.

Greece's Economy was simply unable to sustain a massive welfare state, a pupblic sector that employed the majority of its people, a massive Keynesian infrastructure program and a culture where Tax evasion is not only acceptable, but expected.

All the Southern Euro states are similar.

Of course the Euros love to point to the Northern States, like Sweden and Germany, as bastions of successful social democracy, but they will always leave out the fact that these states in recent years voluntarily engaged in a massive austerity program that privatized much of their public sector and reduced a large portion of their welfare apparatus "under the radar".

Sweden, Germany, etc.. all engaged in voluntary austerity which is why they are doing better than the rest of Europe. That is because they are smarter, brighter and have better work ethics than the rest of Europe who voluntarily took austerity rather than collapse.

 

Why are we? Although we followed the successful "capitalist dogma," and we have minimal safety net?

Now, we find ourselves in the same situation as Europe. . .BUT our more vulnerable population are suffering MORE because of the lack of safety net! At least, Europeans DO HAVE SOMETHING to cut without driving people on the street. And their housing market is still strong.

So. . . why is it that OUR Capitalism didn't make us more successful than what YOU call socialism (which is actually a mixture between social policies AND capitalism!)

 

Because the SEIU and other Public sector unions refuse to enact sensible reforms and instead have bogged our system down with massive waste, fraud and rigid, unnecessary rules that are designed to protect the funding and power of the union over that of the nation.

This is not a "talking point" this is an absolute true fact of life. In order for Democrats to maintain a funding base, they must have a large public sector workforce that is unionized.

 

Capitalism and Free Markets in the United States have been on the decline for the past 100 years.....hence the problems we face today.

Bankrupt and drowning under the wellstone of a bloated out of control centralized nanny statist government......to implement more of a safety net as you suggest.....would be to send the US to the Depths of Europe.

The Most Prosperous Nation to ever grace the planet isnt success in your book?
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Why are we? Although we followed the successful "capitalist dogma," and we have minimal safety net?

Now, we find ourselves in the same situation as Europe. . .BUT our more vulnerable population are suffering MORE because of the lack of safety net! At least, Europeans DO HAVE SOMETHING to cut without driving people on the street. And their housing market is still strong.

So. . . why is it that OUR Capitalism didn't make us more successful than what YOU call socialism (which is actually a mixture between social policies AND capitalism!)

 

Rubish. That is not true. Considering that Europe is everyday less religious...

 

Why do americans care so much if "socialist" europe is bankrupt?
The fact is that it isnt.