Libya rebels killing off blacks

You don't have to think for me.. I lived in Libya for a while.

 

Arabs murdering blacks at this moment.

Not anymore thanks to Obama and his supporters

 

That's why you are an excellent indicator of the truth about Lybia for those who has never been there. It is known the truth is totally opposite from your claims.

 

So you agree that the widespread killing of blacks post-Gadaffi, is motivated, not solely by the mercenary status of some, but by racism?

 

If it was motivated by their marcenary status, it would also be a grave war crime, since they were killed after they surrendered.

Note that Clinton bombed Yugoslavia under the pretext to stop ethnic cleansing. So why NATO does not bomb the TNC now?

 

That's absurd.. The Libyans rose up against Khadafi, not the US.

 

No I don't agree.. Libya is a mixed race country.. Berbers, Arabs and Sub saharan mix for thousands of years.

 

I'm aware of that which wasn't my point. There appears to be evidence that Blacks in Lybia are being indiscriminately killed since the intervention clearly on the pretext that they are black not necessarily because they might be mercenaries. Patrick Cockburn reported of ‘rebel’ atrocities:

‘The rotting bodies of 30 men, almost all black and many handcuffed, slaughtered as they lay on stretchers and even in an ambulance in central Tripoli, are an ominous foretaste of what might be Libya's future. The incoming regime makes pious statements about taking no revenge on pro-Gaddafi forces, but this stops short of protecting those who can be labelled mercenaries. Any Libyan with a black skin accused of fighting for the old regime may have a poor chance of survival.’

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/rebels-wreak-revenge-on-dictators-men-2345261.html

The Independent’s Kim Sengupta had earlier reported much the same on August 26 and 27, noting of one 'rebel' atrocity: ‘The killings were pitiless.’ Reuters provided similar reporting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-search-for-gaddafi-intensifies-2344148.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/rebels-settle-scores-in-libyan-capital-2344671.html

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL5E7JP1VS20110825

Elsewhere, Nato’s alleged attempt ‘to avert a bloodbath’ has resulted in additional bloodbaths – its own. According to Libyan officials, Nato airstrikes killed 85 civilians in Majer on August 8. Agence France Presse detailed the horror:

‘Reporters attended the funerals of victims and saw 28 bodies buried at the local cemetery.... In the hospital morgue, 30 bodies - including two children and one woman - were shown along with other bodies which had been torn apart.’

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4379

Reuters this week reported claims by a ‘rebel’ commander that as many as 50,000 people may have been killed in the war.

 

Zulu.. what do you suggest the US do ????

This is what the people of Libya look like?

http://www.joshuaproject.net/countries.php?rog3=LY

 

Margot, this is going to be another huge mess...This intervention was a mistake and I said so from the outset.

 

Zulu.. it was a mess BEFORE NATO intervened..

You would be grieving for the innocent dead if we had done NOTHING.

 

As I previously stated, Nato’s alleged attempt ‘to avert a bloodbath’ has resulted in additional bloodbaths – its own. Reuters this week reported claims by a ‘rebel’ commander that as many as 50,000 people may have been killed in the war. Certainly, Libyan hospitals are awash with casualties. Jonathan Whittall, Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières' head of mission, said on August 25:

‘The hospitals that I’ve been to have been full of wounded – gunshot wounded – in the emergency departments as well as the other wards. In one health facility that I visited, they had converted some houses next to the clinic into an inpatient department. For example, in the one house I went into, patients were lying on the floor, lying on the desks that were left inside the house and had been converted into a makeshift ward for patients to stay. But because of the shortage of staff, there was no nursing staff and the patients were essentially caring for themselves. In another facility, I saw wounded people waiting outside the hospital to get into the emergency room.’

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/article.cfm?id=5504

Dr Salah Ahmed, a surgeon, commented:

‘The main problem we have at the moment is with oxygen. A government plant producing it was bombed by Nato. There was also a business which was producing it locally, but the owners have fled abroad.

‘I am not saying this as a political statement. This is what happened and we now have to cope the best we can.’

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...as-bodies-pile-up-on-the-streets-2345259.html

There could be worse to come. According to Peter Bouckaert of Human Rights Watch, ‘weapon proliferation out of Libya is potentially one of the largest we have ever documented... If Gadhafi loyalists decide to mount an Iraqi-style insurgency, they have access to a thousand times the explosives that the insurgents in Iraq had’.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/26/headlines#4

 

No question that there is terrible risk to the Libyans in their determination to overthrow Khadafi.

 

Not even nearly as heavy mess as it is now.

Those "innocent dead" are hypothetical, derived from overall bad reputation of Gaddafi and his terrorist past. While the ethnic slaughter we have now is real.

Anyway I am just curious. NATO said they made the intervention to protect the civil population but obviously gravely failed in doing so. This suggests NATO's operation was grossly ineffective. Still they call it victory.

Finally the UN resolution (in perpetration of which NATO claims it is doing its operation) does not say that one should bomb only one side, but NATO only bombed Gaddafi's forces. They did no strike on the rebels to prevent the crimes from their side, even now when it is obvious that fall of Sirte means a blood bath for its inhabitants, especially those black-skinned.

 

Unlike you I am not a fortune teller nor can I say with any certainty what might have been.

 

Really? Aren't these your words?

 

There were innocent dead BEFORE NATO intervened.. and who knows how many Khadafi may have killed if he had gone on unchecked.

How many did Assad kill in HAMA in 1982?

 

It is known now that the rebels had arms from the beginning.

Oh, bombing Sirte now is called "checking"? And you possibly know for sure that nothing bad will happen if rebels go unchecked, yes? Or may be they deserve similar "checks" as Gaddafi received?

I fail to see why Gaddafi should be taken responsible for Assad. Do they represent the same entity?

 

These words are worth repeating:

According to Peter Bouckaert of Human Rights Watch, ‘weapon proliferation out of Libya is potentially one of the largest we have ever documented... If Gadhafi loyalists decide to mount an Iraqi-style insurgency, they have access to a thousand times the explosives that the insurgents in Iraq had’.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/26/headlines#4

The signs of a massive bloodbath are ominous. But this will not be restricted to Libya...Terrorist attacks in Western cities are also likely to be a product of this madness. I argued from the outset that the pretext for Western intervention on the grounds of a limited no-fly zone policy would be exceeded and counterproductive and unfortunately I will be proved right. I argued against intervention from the start while others were cheerleading for what amounts to the cementing of Western oil interests.

As with the vast majority of Western interventions throughout history, this was never really about humanitarianism. Again, we have been sold a crock of lies and we have stumbled into what will be another Iraq. It could hardly be more obvious that war is now a permanent fixture in the Western political system. Powerful vested interests need war for all manner of internally logical reasons to do with maximised profits and control. They must have war. They will have war.

We are nations under corporate occupation. The coup that has deprived us of some of our most basic freedoms – the freedom to choose governments that serve people rather than profit; to choose genuinely independent, uncompromised mass media that serve truth rather than power – cannot conceivably, as a matter of elementary logic, be in the business of exporting democracy abroad. It can only be in the business of business – maximised profits and control. It really is that simple.

 

The rebels round up black doctors and patients in Tripoli hospital:

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And here is the outcome. You can see the bodies of the people who were questioned in the video:

 

One of the key things for the TNC to deal with in Libya is what to do about the tribes whose people benefited from Qadaffi's regime. They comprise most of the police and former military and public servants of all types and mass firings and prosecutions could have the same effect as did Dubya's dissolving of the Iraqi army had on the Iraq occupation. With only small grievances, Qadaffi's supporters will probably shrug their shoulders and grumble; with large grievances, a guerilla-style insurrection is possible.