Licence to Lie?

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Does Rudd have the right to lie re a leadership challenge?

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  1. aussiefree2ride

    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    Considering Julia Gillard`s obvious lies when protesting her support for Kevin Rudd in the lead up to her back stab in 2010. Does Rudd have the right to return the favor?
     
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    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    He already has.
     
  3. aussiefree2ride

    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    Has what AM? Has he already lied when he told Julia that she had a good firm grip on reality? Or has he already got a licence to lie, issued by Gillard`s two faced deception?
     
  4. culldav

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    I believe this highlights just how BAD and corrupt politics & politicians and have become when they LIE to the voters faces knowing there isn’t a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing the voters can do about it - it time that changed.

    Its time the people started “demanding” help and support from the media, and if the media don’t help and support the people, then the people DON’T buy or watch that media. The people do have the power, but we refuse to use it as a group.

    Its time politicians were held accountable and responsible for what they do and what they say just like it is in the real would of private enterprise. Once there is an equal playing field, then maybe we will get genuine people who want to be politicians, and not the self-obsessed parasites we currently have.

    We have Gillard who is a pathological liar and Abbott how claim we cannot believe anything he say’s unless its written down on paper. These are the two clowns that “are” and “could” be representing Australia internationally.

    In the real world, if your employee told you lies or told you nothing they said could be trusted unless it was written down on paper. You wouldn’t be voting for either of them to RUN your business or offer them more money. You would SACK them and show them the nearest EXIT door.

    Just look at how far Australia’s educational system has fallen behind the rest of the world, and yet we have Gillard spewing out verbal dirreaoh about how good the Australian educational system is under her guidance. Maybe she just incompetent again, and forgot to look at the international standards before making that absurd claim in blowing her own horn.

    Australian politicians have in place a system whereby they don’t know how much of Australian land is being sold off to foreign companies and Governments unless the sale amount is over $244million dollars. How bloody ridiculous is that from people who are suppose to be protecting Australians best interests?
     
  5. ian

    ian New Member

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    everyone lies, everyone here lies on a daily basis. Its quite naive to suggest that our politicans dont do it or that we can somehow manage to elect some who are 100 percent truthful, it is the nature and intent of the lies which are important.
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199704/the-truth-about-lying
     
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    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    You lie on this forum daily Ian? I don't!
    But I agree, a lie is not necessarily bad, it is the nature and intent which is important. But we should also be aware there are many different ways to lie, you don't actually have to speak an untruth to be lying and you can speak the truth but still be lying. In fact you can say nothing and still be lying, it's called lying by omission.
     
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    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    How about the nature, and intent of lying about backstabbing someone, before, and after the event?
     
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    DominorVobis Banned at Members Request

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    No one should lie, but we do, nobody should be greedy but we all can be, no person should be arrogant but we are human. Oh, therein lies the answer.
     
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    What a load of absolute rubbish. One person telling another person their new hair cut looks nice when it doesn’t to spare their feeling from being hurt is in a completely different category of LIE to Prime Minister (one person) telling millions of people she will not bring in a carbon tax under a Government she leads, and then introduces that carbon tax not long after she becomes PM. For a start, unlike most people surveyed in the link you provided; Gillard LIED to millions of people not just one or two people on numerous occasions.

    I wonder what that survey would say about a person who LIED too millions of people on numerous occasions?
     
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    You are confused as to what constitutes a lie, reversing or altering your position on a subject is not a lie. It would only be a lie if her intent at the time that she stated the tax would not be instituted she fully intended to do so. Now if you can show that is the case then I will agree with you.
     
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    Basic human nature, but in the public arena. Shows us how human these people are.
     
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    culldav Well-Known Member

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    Please show me any video or written script where Gillard is saying or quoted as saying she will introduce a carbon tax before or during the 2010 federal election - anything at all will do?

    Do you forget she told 20 million people that: "there is be no "carbon tax" under a Government I lead". Then she introduces a "carbon tax".

    You don't have to have a high IQ or go flicking through a 101 Psychology text book to know what Gillard said was a LIE.
     
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    No. It just showed us how low "one woman" would stoop to become the PM, and contributing Gillards inappropriate actions into everyday human behaviour is incorrect - not all humans being act & behave the way she does.
     
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    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    Base human frailty would be closer to the mark. Once we accept being lied to, we forfeit the right to demand respect.
     
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    You have “hit the nail on the head” in saying we the public don’t ask for, or get the respect from the politicians, we the public employee.

    Gillard is a pathological liar, and it would seem by Abbott’s own admission he is also a liar when he stated, not to believe anything he says unless its written down on paper.

    Just imagine the chaos we would have in the private sector of employment if an employee could deceive and lie to an employers face like these politicians do to us the public ALL the time, and an employer didn’t have the legal right to sack/dismiss that employee.

    These politicians are employed by US the people, and its time we demanded greater respect and higher accountability from them.
     
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    No. She didn't introduce a "carbon tax"

    She introduced a price on carbon. Just as she said she would before the election

    JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term as part of a bold series of reforms that include school funding, education and health.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...se/story-fn5tar6a-1225907552000#ixzz1nwgzkjve

    And that is what we have. A market-based carbon pricing mechanism.

    Not a "carbon tax".


    It would help if you had some sort of clue before you go posting these things that Alan Jones told you
     
  17. aussiefree2ride

    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    If the CEO of a company performed as incompetantly, and was as dishonest as the currant shower of spit, they`d be lucky to get a job as a floor sweeper anywhere.

    I think the old saying, "we get the government that we deserve", has a lot of truth in it.
     

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