Life support has been withdrawn from Alfie Evans

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    I took the time and trouble to actually READ the links kindly provided by @diamond lil that documented the LACK of treatment and the reduction in the child's odds of survival.

    It is called being an informed contributor to a discussion.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean The Sun links? Give me a break! I wouldn't call gutter tabloid press reports 'informed', I'd call them sensationalist. If you're gullible enough to believe them, then that's your choice - I don't. Or rather, I'd read between the lines and then draw my own conclusion.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    As in all such instances the administrators routinely adjust their budgets to deal with changing circumstances. I have sat on boards where our approval was needed for funding that was necessary but had not been accounted for during the budgeting process. The administrator usually explains the circumstances and provides a range of alternative means to deal with the shortfall. If necessary other experts, like doctors, render their opinions so that the board can make an informed decision. The board will usually go with the recommendations of the experts given the mission of the organization.

    However in this instance we are not talking about the need for board level decisions. The funds were already in the budget for cases that warranted that alternative treatment. However in this instance the treatment would not have improved the odds and what the parents did actually REDUCED the child's odds of survival.
     
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    WRONG again!

    The links provided were from the Telegraph, the BBC and the Independent.

    Had you actually read them you would have known that.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It isn't about effing budgets, it's about existing RESOURCES ffs!!
     
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    EXISTING resources have BUDGETS and that is HOW they are ADMINISTERED.

    If there is a budget shortfall for an existing resource the job of the administrator is to reallocate funds to the resource that needs them.

    This is really basic SOP for ALL organizations.

    If a hospital does not have enough ICU resources they will reach out to other hospitals who do have enough ICU resources and transfer their funds over to cover the costs of using those ICU resources.

    Not every library carries every single book ever published so if your local library does not have a book that you want they will reach out and get it for you from another library.

    This is how these things work in real life.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here we are, talking about life and death, and the dire shortages of ICUs countrywide in the NHS, and here D_T is comparing it with library books. :wall:
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Budgeting is never an exact science and neither is administration of resources.

    That you have no experience in either is obvious from the content of your posts.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh just go away - I'm fed up with your rhetorical gymnastics.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The facts are irrefutable and there is no way to defend the indefensible.

    That you cannot deal with the above is not my problem.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whatever, just go away.
     
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    Nothing stopping you following your own advice.
     
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    I'd like him to tell us where he got the information the decision it was time to stop Alfie's life support was taken by what he calls hospital bureaucrats, and not doctors.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Probably from some gutter tabloid that was stirring up baseless resentment against authority purely for the sake of making money from the gullible.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you two have stopped talking about me in the third person . . . ? Talking about others is usually the main topics of conversation between stupid people.
     
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    Puerile ad hom ignored for obvious reasons but it says volumes that you could not answer the pertinent question that was the reason behind the observations that were being made.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'M SICK OF YOU AND YOUR 'PERTINENT QUESTIONS' - I THOUGHT I MADE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR.
     
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    Is anybody selling popcorn here this is fun....!!
     
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    Yet another profoundly thought-provoking contribution? :roll:
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    While this profoundly thought provoking question still remains unanswered by the OP! :eek:

     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did answer it - I asked the obviously effing question as to how the hell I could possibly prove such definitive information if I'm not one of the insiders, any more than you or she can disprove it? So it was a stupid bloody question not even deserving of a considered answer.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    So now you are essentially admitting that you just made up your bogus allegation that you can NOT prove because other members in this thread have all provided factual information establishing that ONLY medical doctors are QUALIFIED to make the decision as to when to remove life support which effectively refuted your baseless allegation.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the administrators had said they desperately need the intensive care room for other patients, then undoubtedly that would have been taken into consideration as to how long it would be before Alfie would have to give it up. It wasn't a 'bogus allegation' it was a considered conclusion which I arrived and and will always hold, so it's no good you juggling words to prove me wrong.
     
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    Maaaate ! You are arguing against people with working knowledge of how such systems run,
     
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