Love him or hate him, Trump was certainly correct re Germany's energy deal with Russia

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  1. FreshAir

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    the pipeline would of just got the truck drivers fired, the oil still gets here - the right doesn't care about truck drivers it seems
     
  2. ToughTalk

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    Truck drivers getting fired or causing inflation....hrmm...
     
  3. Lee Atwater

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    I've seen a lot of that. "Trump would have gotten the oil companies to produce more," or "he would not have let Putin get away with invading Ukraine." (presumably by starting a nuclear holocaust) It's all speculative baloney.
     
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    No he wasn't. It was obvious. They just didn't have an option. Now they are working on options.

    Most crackpot claims from the trump wing. Nothing more.
     
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    When the economy tanks and inflation skyrockets forcing a drastic increase in interest rates… perhaps you’ll learn a lesson. Policy is more important than personality. It always will be.
     
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  6. ToughTalk

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    No it's pretty much proven based on how he ran **** in the 4 years he was in office. Biden was weak. He's always been weak. You had 40 years of political history that should have told you he was weak. You had 4 years of DNC policy bullshit that should have told you not to vote for the DNC.

    But alas. You wanted to solve mean tweets.
     
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    Based on his track record of taking Putin's side against us in Helsinki and generally f***ing things up?
     
  8. ToughTalk

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    He ****ed things up so good that the world was much more stable when he was in charge...lol good one though. your feelings dont matter though.
     
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    Trump's father was never born in Germany. Fred Trump was born in the good ole USA. Trump has claimed his father was born in Germany and in his book, The Art of the Deal, said his father was born in Sweeden.

    That being said, nothing Trump said was correct given the historical energy consumption of Germany over the past 30 years or so.
     
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    Not according to the CEOs of the oil-producing companies. Bear in mind, oil is a global commodity, not a country-specific commodity. And prices are controlled by the Oil Futures market right now which Saudi Arabia controls mostly. Furthermore, you simply cannot drill more oil and hope the prices will go down significantly. That won't happen because the refineries cannot keep up with demand in a labor shortage market.
     
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    Trump does not have that type of control. No president has that type of control in our economy. And even during Trump's time, Trump's GDP did not match, on a per anum basis, that of Obama. The last three years of Obama saw more than 1.2 million workers on the private payroll rolls than Trump's first three years. Economic indicators were mixed and inflation began rising in 2020, later half of the year.

    So much for your knowledge of how the economy works.
     
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    Here we go with the dishonest post right from the DNC. From April 2020 when a barrel of oil was $37.

    I guess when you have been proven wrong go back to the same bullcrap every time.
     
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    Is that why the rest of the world laughed at his foreign endeavours and why he is now facing legal time for being a DISHONEST businessman?
     
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    the high prices are do to the global price of oil, there is no shortage of oil in the USA
     
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    yep, Trump did not want us to have low oil prices, Trump fixed that by reducing supply, thanks Trump
     
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    Try being honest for a change. Oil prices cratered and companies were in trouble and jobs were being lost. Say thank you to the DNC for the talking points and move on. I know you people are desperate.
     
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    I am stating the facts, you can make up excuses for Trump, but the facts are the facts
     
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    hi, Alwayssa.

    What? Do you mean to say that that paragon of truth, Mr. Donald Trump, said something that was not so? Really?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
     
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    I 'liked' your post and it's refreshing to see an honest opinion here on occasion.

    I also find some of Trump's actions to be disgraceful. He wasn't my choice during the Republican primaries, and I only voted for him because I found Hillary to be even more disgraceful. But that said, Biden and his party's actions during the last couple of years have not only been predictable, but the results and consequences of such leftist policies have also been predictable.

    Would I rather have a president act like a buffoon but do what's best for our country or have a nice guy who is far from harmless and whose incompetence and leftist embrace has led our country towards ruin?
     
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    Or perhaps the disarray of an incompetent and bumbling administration emboldened Putin. Heck, if we're going to speculate about nonsensical, leftist tropes, perhaps Biden gave Russia the OK via his masters in China?
     
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    I think perhaps you copied and pasted a reply here from another post you authored? Most of the topics you address here haven't been relevant to my post. Yet you also seem to have avoided some of my other points?

    Anyway, ''Big Red scares'' and other off-topic points you describe otherwise, Germany clearly decided to curb their use of nuclear energy and fossil fuels in favor of green and leftist energy policies. This has resulted in their being dependent on Russia. Even the most leftist rags such as the Washington Post and New York Times have acknowledged that this has resulted in a quite dangerous position for NATO.

    And again, we seem to agree on issues such as the EU being a far left, extremest organization. Although today's leftist-controlled Democratic Party actually is more similar to the EU than most normal Americans are comfortable with.

    You seem to be a student of history, which is why I find your observations about only using "SF, SEALS, and other such units as force multipliers" somewhat disconcerting, as this is how most of America's military debacles over the post 50 years have started.

    Our military is, indeed, a volunteer force. But that certainly doesn't give leftist politicians and the people who support them the moral authority to spend military lives in pursuit of an uneven, dubious foreign policy that seems more concerned about virtue-signaling than national security. I'd hope you'd agree with this, regardless of which party is saber-rattling in this particular moment?

    Lastly, you seem to be avoiding the main point of my OP: Trump's demand that Germany and the rest of NATO should not only restrain themselves from being energy dependent on the country for which NATO was formed to oppose, but should also pay their own way to support NATO. The days of the American taxpayer supporting, in essence, NATO's socialist domestic policies should be done with...
     
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    This was the post I was responding to, and it was your post.
    This was the post I was responding to, and it was your post.
    If you were questioning how old I am or even questioning about whether or not I should go to war, then you are questioning my allegiance to this country. That was my first response.

    My second response was about the history of Germany's energy consumption needs, which you never knew to begin with. That was the second part, the underlined part in my response.

    So yes, I was responding to you specifically in the post you made.

    Finally, I have not agreed with you at all on any of your ludicrous, uneducated points of inuendo. Nada. Zilch, Nothing.
     
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    Trump was right. They should have started divesting then, but, better late than never:

    Germany: Quitting Russian oil by late summer is ‘realistic.’

    “Economy and Climate Minister Robert Habeck said Sunday that Europe’s largest economy has reduced the share of Russian energy imports to 12% for oil, 8% for coal and 35% for natural gas. Germany has been under strong pressure from Ukraine and other nations in Europe to cut energy imports from Russia that are worth billions of euros, which help fill Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war chest.”

    I saw no way for them to quit cold turkey. It looks like they are winding down as rapidly as possible.

    “All these steps that we are taking require an enormous joint effort from all actors and they also mean costs that are felt by both the economy and consumers,” Habeck said in a statement. “But they are necessary if we no longer want to be blackmailed by Russia.”

    That's a noble Trumpian Goal. Good for Germany for finally embracing it.

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    He told her the truth, straight up without apology.

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    And when appropriate, gently and with words of encouragement.​

     
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    If so, Vlad is finding out he made a colossal miscalculation. Not only about Ukrainian's desire to keep their fledgling democracy but about Biden's ability to coalesce the west around giving aid to them.
     
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    This is the long and short of it.
    Trump knew if Germany signed on with Russia with the NS2 that Russia would do what its done in the past.
    Shut off supply if Putin doesn't get his way just like he did to Ukraine killing thousands in the winter.
    Which would include demanding those on NS2 leave NATO.

    Trump also knew this would create a monopoly on those utilities as everyone would eventually stop importing for the cheaper solution of the NS2.
    Thats why Trump threatened to put sanctions on anyone working on that pipeline which brought it to a halt.

    Biden releases those sanctions in June giving Russia the opportunity Trump stopped.
    What message did that send to Putin?
    Biden then stops all lethal aid to Ukraine in May.
    What message did that send to Putin.

    You can twist it into what ever pretzel you want but those facts will NEVER change
     
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