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Abu Sina · Dec 2, 2011

If women were allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, the result would be catastrophic and lead to no more virgins, said clerics from the Majlis al-Ifta al-Aala, the countrys highest religious council.

Women in the country have been pushing to drive, and a number of women have driven in protest to the ultra-conservative countrys ban on female drivers in recent months.

They face public lashings, jail and ostracism if discovered driving in the only country in the world where women are not allowed to take the wheel.

The report from the Majlis, in coordination with former professor at King Fahd University Kamal Subhi, reported their findings to the Shura Council, the countrys legislative assembly.

It warned that allowing women to drive would provoke a surge in prostitution, pornography, homosexuality and divorce.

Within 10 years of the ban being lifted, it claimed, there would be no more virgins in the Islamic kingdom.
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Salafist leader and Alexandrian parliament candidate Abdel-Moneim El-Shahat described the literature of Egyptian Nobel prize winner Naguib Mahfouz as inciting promiscuity, prostitution and atheism.

El-Shahat reiterated his opinion regarding Nobel prize novelist Naguib Mahfouz in a TV interview on Thursday night, elaborating that Mahfouzs novels are mostly set in areas involving brothels and drugs. He went on to describe Mahfouzs acclaimed novel Awlad Harretna (Children of our Alley), one of the books that earned him a Nobel prize in 1988, as a novel whose symbols promote atheism."

El-Shahats statement propelled a reaction of alarm among Egypts liberals and intellectuals. Some considered the statement a reminder of the dangers that freedom of expression is likely to face in Egypt should the Islamists take power.
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Margot · Dec 2, 2011

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This is pretty much the opinion of the ultra conservative old timers.

Doesn't make any difference.

litwin · Dec 2, 2011

no more virgins, the clerics want all virgins for themselves?

i think EU has to give asylum to hot non virgins like her

ps

"But try as it might the Arabs are still sexually charged. And even more so as Arabs are marrying older and older. Past generations could get married in their early twenties if not before and could start enjoying sex, but with the urbanization of the Arab world and the emancipation of women whom want careers before marriage the age of marriage is being pushed back. High employment also pushes marriage back as young men simply do not have the resources to marry. Western assumptions that Arab and Muslim men are sexually frustrated are unfounded. Brothels proliferate the area. Sex, if one so desires, is easily available and affordable. Nonetheless, many couples putting off marriage are starting to have sex before their wedding night for tiring of waiting. This is increasingly common. If the couple eventually weds that is fine, but if there is a breakup the woman is out of luck. Most Muslim men will expect a virgin (unless, of course, she is a divorcee) and if a woman isnt it can seriously undermine her chances of getting married.

This has lead to a new industry in the Arab world: re-virginification. Many Arab women whom sleep with their boyfriends and then break-up get such surgeries and then pretend to be virgins all along.

Naturally, religious cleric are opposed to such devices because the allow the sinful to get away with their misdeeds:

A leading Egyptian scholar has demanded that people caught importing a female virginity-faking device into the country should face the death penalty.

It would not surprise me if some of these clerics were themselves engaging in unseemly sex acts. "
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Young Arab women wait in an upmarket medical clinic for an operation that will not only change their lives, but quite possibly save it. Yet the operation is a matter of choice and not necessity. It costs about 2,000 euros (£1,700) and carries very little risk.

The clinic is not in Dubai or Cairo, but in Paris. And the surgery they are waiting for is to restore their virginity.
"I thought of suicide after my first sexual relationship," she says, "because I couldn't see any other solution." But Sonia did find a solution.

She eventually went to the Paris clinic of Dr Marc Abecassis to have surgery to restore her hymen. She says she will never reveal her secret to anyone, especially her husband to be.

I believe we as doctors have no right to decide for her or judge her
Dr Abecassis

"I consider this is my sex life and I don't have to tell anyone about it," she says. It's men that are obliging her to lie about it, she says.

Dr Abecassis performs a "hymenoplasty" as it's called, at least two to three times a week. Re-connecting the tissue of the hymen takes about 30 minutes under local anaesthetic.

He says the average age of the patient is about 25, and they come from all social backgrounds. Although the surgery is performed in clinics around the world, Dr Abecassis is one of the few Arab surgeons who talks openly about it. Some of the women come to him because they need virginity certificates in order to marry.

"She can be in danger because sometimes it's a matter of traditions and family," says Dr Abecassis. "I believe we as doctors have no right to decide for her or judge her."

With Chinese manufacturers leading the way, there are now non-surgical options on the market as well. One website sells artificial hymens for just £20 (23 euros). The Chinese hymen is made of elastic and filled with fake blood. Once inserted in the vagina, the woman can simulate virginity, the company claims.

'Caught out'

But this was not an option for Nada. As a young girl growing up in the Lebanese countryside she fell in love and lost her virginity. "I was scared my family would find out especially since they didn't approve of my relationship," she says. "I was terrified they might kill me."

After seven years in the relationship, her lover's family wanted him to marry someone else. Nada attempted suicide. "I got a bottle of Panadol and a bottle of household chemicals," she says. "I drank them and said, 'That's it'."

Even if society accepts such a thing, I would still refuse to marry her
Noor

Nada is now 40, and found out about surgical hymen restoration just six years ago. She married and had two children. Her wedding night was a stressful ordeal. "I didn't sleep that night. I was crying," she says. "I was very scared but he didn't suspect anything."

It's a secret that Nada - which is not her real name - will carry to her grave. "I am ready to hide it until death," she says. "Only God will know about it."

But it's not only the older generation that subscribes to traditional views about sex before marriage, when it comes to choosing a wife.

Noor is a trendy professional who works in Damascus. He's fairly representative of young Syrian men in a secular society. But although Noor says he believes in equality for women, underneath the liberal facade lies a deep-rooted conservatism.

"I know girls who went through this restoration and they were caught out on their wedding night by their husbands," he says. "They realised they weren't virgins. Even if society accepts such a thing, I would still refuse to marry her."

Muslim clerics are quick to point out that the virginity issue is not about religion. "We should remember that when people wait for the virgin's blood to be spilled on the sheet, these are all cultural traditions," says Syrian cleric, Sheikh Mohamad Habash. "This is not related to Shariah law."

Christian communities in the Middle East are often just as firm in their belief that women should be virgins when they marry.

Arab writer and social commentator, Sana Al Khayat believes the whole issue has much to with the notion of "control".

"If she's a virgin, she doesn't have any way of comparing [her husband to other men]. If she's been with other men, then she has experience. Having experience makes women stronger."

It may be the 21st Century but the issue of virginity in Arab culture can still be a matter of life and death, especially for women like Sonia and Nada.

And while hymen repair may be a quick fix, it can't reconcile centuries of ingrained tradition with the attitudes of modern society.
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Margot · Dec 2, 2011

With a divorce rate of 50% in Saudi Arabia.. I am not so sure "virginity" it what it used to be.

Remember that all of Muhammed's wives except Aisha were widows.

litwin · Dec 2, 2011

Margot said: ↑

With a divorce rate of 50% in Saudi Arabia.. I am not so sure "virginity" it what it used to be.

Remember that all of Muhammed's wives except Aisha were widows.
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a widow supposes to be with out virginity

The Doctor · Dec 3, 2011

Margot said: ↑

This is pretty much the opinion of the ultra conservative old timers.

Doesn't make any difference.
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Except that women aren't allowed to (*)(*)(*)(*)ing drive in SA, but don't worry Abu the same things going to happen to your country once the MB and Salafists are firmly in control.

Grokmaster · Dec 4, 2011

Margot said: ↑

With a divorce rate of 50% in Saudi Arabia.. I am not so sure "virginity" it what it used to be.

Remember that all of Muhammed's wives except Aisha were widows.
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They were MADE WIDOWS by the bloodthirsty Mayor of Medina, or his henchmen.

Aisha, being NINE YEARS OLD, was not yet married before the pedophile Mayor of Medina stole her from her family.

Viv · Dec 4, 2011

What a joy it would be not to have to drive. I drive 60 miles per day to work. It's not good.

litwin · Dec 4, 2011

Viv said: ↑

What a joy it would be not to have to drive. I drive 60 miles per day to work. It's not good.
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What a joy to stay at home for whole your life? and have no rights to left home with out a "man" at a side

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