MAGA: Macron Sides w/Pres.Trump; Calls for "new Iran deal". Sweet.

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  1. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the greatest negotiator that has ever graced the Oval Office, once again, let's another world leader have "his" (Trump's) way.

    Beautiful. How did this come about, after Macron's repeated, prior, declarations that the "Iran deal must stand!" ??

    Here's how:

    "I can say that we have had very frank discussions on that, just the two of us," Macron told a joint press conference with Trump at his side.

    The TDS left continues to fail to grasp the personal charisma and strength of this POTUS, much to their own misfortunes, politically.




    Trump, Macron call for new nuclear deal with Iran

    Washington (AFP) - French President Emmanuel Macron and his American counterpart Donald Trump called jointly Tuesday for a new nuclear deal with Iran, after the US leader denounced the three-year-old accord as "insane."

    "I can say that we have had very frank discussions on that, just the two of us," Macron told a joint press conference with Trump at his side.

    "We, therefore, wish from now on to work on a new deal with Iran."
    It did not tackle western complaints about Iran's ballistic missile programs or support for militant groups across the Middle East.

    Trump faces a May 12 deadline to decide on its fate and is demanding changes that many in European capitals believe would represent a legal breach.

    "I think we will have a great shot at doing a much bigger, maybe, deal," said Trump, stressing that any new deal would have to be built on "solid foundations."

    "This is a deal with decayed foundations. It's a bad deal, it's a bad structure. It's falling down," the US leader said. "We're going to see what happens on the 12th."

    When asked to clarify if he meant he was pushing for a new accord, or an add-on agreement, Macron said: "I'm not saying that we move from one agreement to another."

    The French president said a new deal would have to include three additional elements: Tehran's ballistic missile program, its influence across the Middle East, and what happens after 2025 -- when under the current accord Iran would be able to progressively restart part of its nuclear program.


    Trump's European allies have repeatedly tried to persuade him not to walk away from the 2015 deal, which gave Iran massive sanctions relief and the guarantee of a civilian nuclear program in return for curbs on programs that could be used to develop an atomic weapon.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-macron-call-nuclear-deal-iran-174020256.html





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    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    A new Iran deal would be great although Obama already sent them a plane load of cash with which arms and bombs could be bought for their many sponsored terrorist clients. Thank you Obama...and your little helper John Kerry.
     
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    Fine print.

    When asked to clarify if he meant he was pushing for a new accord, or an add-on agreement, Macron said: "I'm not saying that we move from one agreement to another."
     
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    You know, the deal was a 6? nation deal. The US was only 1 participant. And I don't think we even took the lead.

    Negotiations for a framework deal over the nuclear program of Iran took place between the foreign ministers of the countries at a series of meetings held from 26 March to 2 April 2015 in Lausanne, Switzerland. On 2 April the talks came to a conclusion and a press conference was held by Federica Mogherini (High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy) and Mohammad Javad Zarif (Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran) to announce that the eight parties had reached an agreement on a framework deal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal_framework
     
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    Well, maybe, maybe not?
     
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    I know Obama was the one who secretly sent a plane load of internationally fungible currency to Iran (all the better to shop at the international arms markets with).

    Iran along with North Korea and Syria are three of the world's most unstable and dangerous nations and inexplicably Obama did them the favor of lifting sanctions, sending them billions of dollars and making nuclear weapons for the crazy theocrats (who want a world conflagration so their tenth imam can reappear...a clear sign of rational and sensible thinking) a fait accompli all in a matter of time.

    How do you thank a president who has made the future of the planet infinitely more dangerous and deadly?
     
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    I think he made it much safer.
    What do you think the alternative is/was.
     
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    Not pumping Iran full of cash, removing sanctions and helping their nuclear program get a bomb...in time.
     
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    You were doing pretty good until you got to the third one, and that's the one it was all about.
     
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    How is it infinitely more dangerous?

    And the money you refer to is this?
    http://fortune.com/2016/08/05/money-america-iran/
     
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    Yeah, just like he sent the muslim brotherhood $1.5 billion in Egypt, against the expressed wishes of Congress, before the Egyptian people had to forcibly oust the world's oldest terror group from power, after the idiot Obama handed the nation over to them.

    Funding islamist terror after creating and arming ISIS in Libya, will be the longest lasting Obama residue...
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah. A NEW DEAL, as in the current one MUST BE CHANGED.

    Nice dance moves....
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, so? Without us and France, it's meaningless, and I couldn't care less what the rest of the Eurosleaze think or do.

    Has nothing to do with Macron doing an about-face, after a one-on-one with Pres.Trump = the point of the thread.

    MACRON has seen the light, once he was given the lowdown, by Pres.Trump, as opposed to the islamist terror facilitator , Obamidiot.
     
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    Please explain how massive financial support the number one terror exporter/financier on the planet makes ANYONE safer, except for the terrorists?
     
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    Macron was a clear as mud... as a solid politician, he doesn't cement himself into a corner he can't get out of.

    SNIP
    Macron said the current deal should not be ripped apart without a clear path to the future, and said after talks with Trump that there could be a way to move to a "new agreement," building on the one in place.

    Trump said key flaws in the agreement are the failure to address ballistic missiles and Iran's activities in Yemen and Syria. The EU says those are separate issues.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/article209773379.html

    Trump just leads us closer to complete world destruction with almost every action he takes... He simply doesn't know what he is doing and cannot get competent assistance (which he wouldn't listen to anyway).
     
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    View attachment 67903

    Uh-huh. As proven by North Korea's FIRST EVER offer to end its nuke/missile programs, without demanding the US withdraw all its troops from the peninsula, the utter annihilation of ISIS in Iraq, North Africa, and nearly so in Syria , ( IOW-UNDOING THE OBAMIDIOT'S F*** UPS) as well as CONFRONTING the Iranian despot terrorists, as opposed to FINANCING THEIR TERROR, ( another OBAMIDIOT F*** UP ) , "leads us closer to complete world destruction".

    Really?


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    Marcon has said nothing.
    But did say something about not necessarily starting a new deal.
     
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    Helping insane theocrats gain the bomb is making that part of the world infinitely more dangerous. Now is it not?

    I've already read all that.
     
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    Libs keep saying the world hates Trump, but Macron has a definite man crush on him. ❤️
     
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    Trump been triumphant everywhere, except with the Eurosleaze/NATO shindig, where he laid down the law they didn't want to hear. Now, after the bleating, they are PAYING MORE....as Germany starts desperately trying to reverse the immigration policies as Merkel has foisted upon them, the UK has "Brexited" the EU, and Macron is seeing things Trump's way....
     
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    Good thing the deal made in 2015 limits that. Do you even understand what was in the deal. The real stuff, not RW opinion.
    So, how exactly is the world infinitely more dangerous. Give us some facts. Not RW opinion.
     
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    You know, if you ever supplied some actual facts yourself, rather than insulting opinionated clap trap, your post might be somewhat tolerable. But you never do.

    It's just a matter of a few years, before all the inspections and assurances that we are watching Iran's nuclear development program like a hawk hit a negotiated time wall, Iran will have all the parts in place to start production of nuclear weapons (if they have not already).
    And you think you know all about it. But you don't. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655

    The people that know the least are invariably the most opinionated.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With ZERO verification...how do you know it "limited" anything?
     
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    There are two uranium enrichment facilities in Iran - Natanz and Fordo - where uranium hexafluoride gas is fed into centrifuges to separate out the most fissile isotope U-235. Low-enriched uranium, which has a 3%-4% concentration of U-235, can be used to produce fuel for nuclear power plants. But it can also be enriched to the 90% needed to produce nuclear weapons.

    In July 2015, Iran had almost 20,000 centrifuges. Under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), it will be limited to installing no more than 5,060 of the oldest and least efficient centrifuges at Natanz for 10 years.

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    Iran's uranium stockpile is set to be reduced by 98% to 300kg (660lbs) for 15 years. It must also keep its level of enrichment at 3.67%.
    ...Before July 2015, Iran had a large stockpile of enriched uranium and nearly 20,000 centrifuges, enough to create eight to 10 bombs, according to the White House. US experts estimated then that if Iran had decided to rush to make a bomb, it would take two to three months until it had enough 90%-enriched uranium to build a nuclear weapon - the so-called "break-out time". ,,,
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655

    So you don't know what you read?
    You're link, same as my link, shows Iran is not now nor can not in the very near future, do any uranium enrichment beyond the purity of nuclear power only.
    They can not enrich to bomb capability.
    And they did have before this treaty and now they don't have that capability.

    Before this treaty, the time frame to get nuclear bombs was already under way. After the treaty, they have to wait 10-15 yrs.

    So, HOW IS THE WORLD INFINITELY MORE DANGEROUS TODAY THAN BEFORE THE TREATY? This is your claim.
    And your VERY OWN link shows we are safer today.

    So my clap trap again shows you and you even show your very own clap trap, You Are Wrong, AGAIN.

    Now that you've embarrassed yourself again, will you stop being the most opinionated?
     
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    Where are you getting your fake information from?

    At the time of the agreement, the White House expressed confidence that the JCPOA would prevent Iran from building a nuclear programme in secret. Iran, it said, had committed to "extraordinary and robust monitoring, verification, and inspection".

    Inspectors from the IAEA, the global nuclear watchdog, continuously monitor Iran's declared nuclear sites and also verify that no fissile material is moved covertly to a secret location to build a bomb.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655

    NOTE, same link YBF used to prove his claim wrong.
     

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