Majority of voters now oppose impeachment: Quinnipiac poll

The Quinnipiac poll is also later in the month which is closer to what is going on.

 

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd . . . remember dear party loyalist leftists Hillary Clinton WILL become president in 2016. Rachel Maddow of MSNBC/NBC PROMISED.

 

Plus they altered the Articles of Impeachment from specifics to vague generalities amounting to "Trump won't become a Leftist; and that hurts our feeeeeeeeeeeelings! Waaaaaaaah!" You impeach a president on vague generalities? Who knows what higher percentage of Independents they just lost with THAT revelation!

 

I did note that it was a slightly less biased site than 538. It is still a liberal leaning site though.

Yes but in the Nixon case both sides were allowed to call their own witnesses and were able to ask their questions freely. In Trumps case that isn't true. We've only heard the one side, the Democratic Party side. And to many it was a pitiful showing. Do you really think that if the Democratic Party is losing this much already that once people hear the other side (in the Senate) its going to get better for the Democratic Party? I don't. I think its going to get much worse for them. That is the problem with a partisan impeachment. We saw it with Clinton, and we're seeing it again now.

 

Yep, which is why I added the impeachment part to my post. It truly was a disastrous day for Dems yesterday. And don't forget the Dems trying to claim USCMA as their accomplishment ta boot! lol

 

I'm glad that you raised the Clinton impeachment as a point. I never felt comfortable with that. Since it wasn't a rape issue between Bill and Monica, but rather a consenting adult event it just seemed wrong to take things as far as the Right of that time took them.

 

He wasn't impeached over the blow job. He was impeached for perjury because he lied to Congress under oath. But I do agree with you that he shouldn't have been impeached over it. It was a stupid lie over a nothing burger. Nothing that endangered the country's national security or anything like that. Just a stupid lie because it was embarrassing that he was caught cheating in his wife. Not impeachable.

 

Clinton wasn't impeached for his relations with Monica; he was impeached for lying to Congress about it. Yes, as I recall, that was weak and partisan at the end of the day. Clinton's approval ratings went way up after the Senate decision and the Republican party was tremendously weakened for years afterward. History is repeating itself.

 

You and @Kal'Stang are correct, of course. I do wonder how the Leftist controlled House of Representatives figure they can prevent a similar political blowback against the Dem Party's leadership when this impeachment bid is even more of an obvious politically partisan farce launched for pure vindictiveness and in a bid to weaken Trump's re-election chances.

It is so obviously about that to the point that already Trump is gaining political strength in battle ground states WHILE the political Left is loosing those critical Independents. It's political lunacy on their part and especially since none of the three top Dem Party contenders really have a chance in a toe to toe contest against Trump anyway. It's a puzzler.

 

It will hurt them in the next election.
All those people who voted for their Democrat candidate at the last election had this odd idea that if candidate was elected they would actually be represented. But since 2016 the focus of most of the Democrats has been on getting Trump out of office, not dealing with the concerns of their constituents.
And to have Pelosi stand up and talk of following the Constitution when her party have done their damnedest to overturn much of it is nauseating.

 

Who knows what they were thinking? To end up making Ukraine the "centerpiece", knowing that their frontrunner Biden's name would come up as a counterattack, seems like an unforced error. Maybe they just don't want Joe as the nominee though, and that's one way to try to take down Trump, and Biden with him. At the core of the argument is some notion that Trump needs Ukraine's help with some competitive dossier to beat Biden in 2020. Biden is one of the worse campaigners in history. Do people really believe that Trump needs the right-wing version of the "Steele dossier" to take Biden out? Leaves me scratching my head.

 

Recently both Biden and his staff indicated that Joe intends to serve out only one term if he becomes president; and that's due to the fact that he would be about 84 by the end of his first term. So he's doing this already admitting that essentially he intends to go into office as a lame duck. Warren -- whom I still think will ultimately end up with the nomination -- is now currently in third place; and second place Sanders is an over the hill Socialist whose record as a senator is abysmal.

None of these three have a chance against Trump even with the supposed HELP of this impeachment sham being launched against him. It's insanity on the part of the Left's leadership; but it is amusing insanity to watch unfold.

 

No, he was not impeached for "lying to Congress". Please do some research.

 

I've read he said he'd commit to one term....that would make his VP pick extremely important, wouldn't it? What if he dropped out after 2 years more or less and handed over the reins to the VP?

DNC Chairman is definitely Socialist-leaning. He called AOC the new face of the Democratic Party after her election. The Party wants to take the base further left much faster than the majority of Democrats want to go there.

Well. whatever. Pelosi is looking at her legacy as one of the last of the old-guard Democrats who became the first woman Speaker of the House and took down a sitting President in a purely partisan procedure. Good for her, I guess.

 

Whataboutism AGAIN?

Sad!

 

In the future the Dem Party needs to choose leadership with at least some elements of both common sense and logic involved rather than the emotionalism coupled to wishful thinking that always seems to be their motivation regarding their leadership. Plus doing some vetting of these people might be of benefit to them.

 

Wrong!

Clinton was impeached for allegedly lying under oath to Starr, NOT Congress!

 

Nope!

Clinton was impeached for allegedly lying under oath to Starr, NOT Congress!

 

How is the "vetting" of your BLOTUS working for you?

 

Actually if you want to get technical he didn't lie to Starr, he lied to a grand jury while under oath. So I guess we're both wrong. But I have no doubt that you'll try and spin it into him lying to Starr as you'll refuse to admit that you were wrong.

LINK: The Clinton Impeachment

 

Don't forget to apply the Ddyad polling accuracy adjustment.
Always add at least 5 to 10 points to polling numbers related to Trump's approval to adjust for obvious bias and the polling blind spot.

 

You mean has he turned out to be precisely what his known history indicated? Yes, fundamentally unlikable while being one hell of an effective president regarding the economy and so forth. Unlike what is evident regarding the Left, people Right of Center don't actually have to worship a fellow in order to vote for him. Nor do we need an anti-ethical Mainstream Media blatantly working for the DNC to tell us what to think nor who to vote for. But thanks for asking.

 

Absolutely. It brings us back around to both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. One needed to adjust the 'results' waaaaaaaaaaay down for both of them to arrive at something approaching the real numbers while adjusting waaaaaaaaaaaay up regarding Trump's true numbers.

 

I never have any problem admitting when I am wrong so you are WRONG about me!



Technically Clinton lied to BOTH the GJ and to the investigators on the Starr commission (although not Starr himself, mea culpa) but he NEVER lied to Congress.

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/impeachment/clinton-impeachment-and-its-fallout

 

Amazing! You actually admitted that you were wrong! Must be snowing in hell.