Man Crawls Across Thin Ice To Rescue His Pet Dog - Labeled 'Foolish'

That is well said. People are azzholes in large part. My dog is not. I'm actually not a huge fan of people in general. They typically don't warrant it. So I won't pretend a random human life means much to me. It doesn't to other people either, they just won't admit it. Some human lives mean a great deal to me. They are all not equal. And if it's my dog versus random person my dog wins. Don't like that? Who gives a rat's ass?

If you sign up for a job where you have to save people, then I guess you show up and do your job. They rarely do any actual work anyway. But if they don't want to help, then fine. Whatever. But I see them rescue people who did far dumber things than crawl into a cold but still river to rescue their dog just a few feet from the shore.

 

Such a silly, child like response. Perhaps one day your child will need rescued from drowning, and just perhaps he/she will have a group of like minded onlookers watching, saying "(*)(*)(*)(*) Em, maybe I'd save him if it were my dog, but a person I don't even know?"

Thank god the world isnt polluted with your type of thinking.

 

Exactly. I can't count the amount of videos I've seen where people are stupid enough to try to go out for a cheeseburger or something in the middle of a massive flood and need emergency services to come help them. THAT is a waste of resources.

If it were my pet...you can bet your a** I would try to save it as it's still a life (granted not human, but still a living, breathing life)

 

I never said I wouldn't save a kid from drowning. You are making things up. Nice strawman, but that has little relation to the thread.

Actually it is. Everyone will choose their own over the other. And very few people care when some random stranger dies. Really.

 

And keep in mind the "danger" some have assumed on this thread is not evident. It was a calm river and they were close to shore. His major risk was getting wet and cold. And that is exactly what happened. So the question really is, would you risk getting wet and cold to save your dog? His life was really not at risk. Or would he let his dog drown because he was afraid of getting wet and cold? Now, if he couldn't swim we are talking a different scenario, but otherwise calling what he did "dangerous" is silly. Could he have died? Sure. You can die typing. Was it likely? Hell no. Hence, my asnwer to the OP. I would go in without a second's hesitation. Given another scenario my answer may be different. If I am pretty sure no one is making it out alive why would I bother? What good would that do? But would I put myself at "risk' for my dog. Without question.

 

*shrug*

Everybody has their own view on that...

 

And his life was really not at much risk. Just saying....

 

Crawling out over a half-frozen river, knowing that you will fall through, is a stupid risk.

 

To you maybe it is. Life is about risk-reward. My sister-in-law won't fly. Too risky. You likely do fly. She thinks you are nuts. Who cares? Like I said, his realistic risk was getting wet and cold. The reward was saving his dog from drowning. To him, the risk was not as large as the reward. I agree. If you feel the risk isn't worth it, let your dog drown. But what he did was not crazy because it was not all that risky.

 

Let's review. You said

A unknown child is "random human life". I know, personally, I'm not risking my life for a cause that doesn't mean much to me. So one can only assume my statement was correct.

And yes, it has pleanty to do with the thread, as you and the gentleman in the OP share a common lack of decision making skills, common sense, and place human life below, or at least equal to a furry little critter.

 

You are extremely naive. A normal person has 2.5.-3 minutes in ice water before swimming becomes nearly impossible due to muscles stiffining. Around 2 - 3 minutes after hitting the water, many people die of cardiac arrest due to the sudden increase of blood pressure. Cold water shock will cause people of involuntary inhale water and drown, often times in under a minute. Post immersion deaths are also common, as the person survives the water but dies of heart failure due to cold blood trapped in fingers and toes rewarming and rushing to the heart...and god forbid you get trapped under the ice.

 

In a situation like this - look again at the pix - I really don't think ES would be at risk of losing one of it's own. It's a calm river, the men are pros in rescue procedure, they know what they're doing, not to mention that it's their job.

What's downrite dangerous for the ES is to try and rescue the morons who climb Mt. Hood out here, particularly in the winter months and the climbers get lost... m/b a ES guy has lost his life while going up the mt. but don't recall any - they've all came back down.

As far as human life trumps animal life goes....... well ... do I think a pedophile's life - as an example - is more important than my dog or cat's life? Not hardly.

When you think of what dogs have done to rescue not only their owners, but others .... well, they deserve the same from us.......

 

Well, I'm still here so I must be OK at deciding what to do.

 

Is he dead?

 

Fantastic logic. "I haven't died yet so I must be doing something right" line of thinking. Evil Knievel lived until he was 69. Sure doesn't make him a great decision maker.

 

See my previous post.

And no, this particular knuckle head isn't. But if you'd like, I can direct you to lots of similar stories where the idiot dies.

 

They have saved countless lives. My dog took a knife to save my fiance from being raped in the park. She (the dog) lived, but it was touch and go for a bit. So what kind of a heartless, pansy dick would I be if I let that dog drown because I might get cold and wet? Yeah, I'm crazy. Good thing she was not like some posters and said, "well I know she is getting raped, but I might get stabbed and it is only a human life. I'll get another. There are 6 billion of those azzholes around to take care of me". Instead she manned up (to coin a phrase). Too bad other's wouldn't do the same.

(After she got stabbed she tore enough flesh off his arm to prevent him from stabbing again and never let go until she passed out. But yeah, I'll let her drown so I don't catch a chill).

 

That's fine. Risk reward. I can point you to stories where people in a car, on a plane, skiing, biking or walking down the sidewalk die, too. I guess they gambled and lost. Idiots.

 

You're line of logic is almost comically laughable. Good grief, I can only hope your child gets some sense from someone in their life.

I must have missed the article about how a biker or someone walking down the sidewalk has around 3 minutes before their heart or muscles fail.

 

What better gauge you got? He died from liver failure, right? Decisions, my friend. People decide what risks are worth it. Getting wet and cold is a small price to pay.

I'm 44, healthy, happy and even rich (compared to most, not to Mitt Romney). I've done fine and no one would argue. So my decisions have been (mostly) quite good. I am not naive or stupid (but it's cool if you think so, I'll get over it after a long cry). I would have done what he did and ended up the same. And my fiance and kid would have run to the stupid dog before getting to me. If it were raging rapids I would not have jumped in. Luckily, the dog would not have either. She's smarter than most honor students. Well, students in this country anyway..........

 

Me too. I'm shocked she is alive. Granted, I don't really pay much attention, but I assume that soccer field I built on the expressway worked out OK.

I hope she does not turn out like the thousands who die in car accidents every year. I read about it every day. You know your muscles can freeze up in a split second when someone hits you going 75 miles per hour? Scary. If only you would have told them they would be alive.

 

Well it's even less when that heart attack hits from eating too much fast food. You should have warned them. Idiots.

 

Another great example of a dog's love and loyalty... and I'm really glad your dog is still w/you.....

A couple of yrs ago there was an incident in my neighborhood involving a woman in her 90's and a little Shi'tzu named Muffin, who is a friend's medical dog - they live in an apt. complex....

It was around 10 at nite, chilly and raining outside and Muffin suddenly went to the door, screaming and howling to go out and wouldn't stop. Because of his medical problems and sometimes not up to taking Muffin out to potty, he had trained her to use the bathtub, which she's always done - but not that nite. She wouldn't stop barking & howling. Exasperated, JD grabbed his coat to take her out. He told me the minute he opened the door, Muffin went flying down the stairs and around the corner to where 90+ yr old Dorothy had fallen and broke her hip when she took her dog out. Dorothy told me later she had laid there on the ground, raining on her for about an hr crying for help. The people living close to her couldn't hear her, but Muffin upstairs and a short distance away did.... A little Shi'tzu who didn't know Dorothy saved her life.....

 

It is almost annual and 9/10 the human dies and the dog escapes, just as often happens with things like house fires when people go back into danger to rescue a cat. IMHO it's about human stupidity, or...lack of foresight which can happen to anyone.

I love dogs and have been in that position a few times. Not with ice, I haven't let my dog off the lead near ice. Why would one, if the dog is prone to swimming and likely to run into the water? I've had dogs unexpectedly jump into dangerous places they have walked past many times before, though. One of the labs dived into this dry dock.



It has been renovated now, but at that time it was in disrepair as in the pic and an old ship was lying half submerged waiting to be repaired.

The dog swam about a bit and couldn't see how to get out. I looked about and saw concealed stairs for workmen and headed for those. Having been through many adventures together and being used to working as a team, he swam alongside me but before he got to see the stairs, he decided to run straight up the side of the dock, which is staggered, but only by the width of a brick, i.e. wide enough for a dog's paws but not wide enough for a human foot. Really dangerous, but he just ran straight up and out.

Another day, one young dog jumped into the river from the waterfront and couldn't get out. I just had to walk along and direct him to come with me until I saw a place he could exit.

One dog jumped into the aqueduct, not knowing workmen had blocked his usual exit route and the water level had risen higher than normal. We ripped up a large bush and threw it in and that was enough to give him purchase to clamber out. They don't need much.

For that guy with the ice, I'm sure he acted in good faith and you'd have to be there to see the situation before giving opinion but IMHO if he stayed calm and engaged his brain, he could have come up with something more effective than crawling over the ice like a complete tool.

 

I consider the man an idiot, not for going after his dog, but for something else entirely.

This is why you keep your dog on a leash and keep it in the yard.

My town has a leash law just for reasons like this.

If he would've kept his dog on a leash and in his yard instead of letting it roam free, it simply wouldn't have been put in a situation like that.

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to obey leash laws.