Mandela: A Passing legacy

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    I agree with you but one must consider the other side of the coin. There were some values which are a little questionable and in quite a few instances still continue today.

    I won't speak for Black people in other parts of the world but in the UK, it's largely irrelevant regarding your colour.
    Although occasionally you might get someone decrying past history between British and African people which is pretty baseless and moot.
     
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    Let's be clear, after the destabilizing effects of both slavery and colonization, Africa could benefit from a form of socialism. Something looked down on in the west, yet practiced in many ways thru Medicare and Medicaid.
    Can you please elaborate on "the other side of the coin", little questionable values, color irrelevancy and decrying past history as baseless and moot???
     
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    I don't think that colonisation was that destructive. I mean we did end slavery in every colony we had and liberated over half a million slaves in the 19th century.
    Even went to war over slavery.

    Socialist policies in Africa aren't always possible as quite a few countries can't financially support those policies.
    Some could though if they are through with their administration.

    Well actually we did have quite a few socialist governments in the form of the labour party but all that has changed even before my time.
    And it's not socialist policies themselves that were frowned upon. It was the spread of communism during the cold war and influence the USSR had on those countries.


    Ok other side of the coin. Well for example albino Africans are treated as witches and are often killed. That would be a traditional African value. Or the slavery which persists in certain parts of Africa.
    These are a couple of examples. I'm not saying that Africans/Black people are backward but what I am saying is that not all those values are worth taking.


    Colour irrelevancy and such. Well I was trying to say that in the UK it doesn't matter and that we don't really care about the difference a persons colour. Don't get me wrong a few people still think a little differently but they don't make up the majority.

    The problem in the UK is that we have a habit of having to apologise for everything. Every now and again you find people like Darcus Howe for example saying how oppressed black people are in the UK. And occasionally there is a TV programme about the British Empire and it's relationship with Africa which I find a bit biased sometimes.
     
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    Do you know how many Africans were killed by King Leopold II, The Butcher of Congo alone???PUHLEAZE!!!
    Re: Albinos, Blacks were eaten by Dahmer in Wisconsin. But really Africa is made up of 55 countries and you are citing some phenomena that has taken place in 2???
    Human trafficking goes on all over the world as well.
    Racist Americans are by no means the majority.
    PC or political correctness is rampant here also.
     
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    Yes I do know. But the Congo was one of many colonized places and not all of the inhabitants were subject brutality.

    Also there is no accurate census regarding the amount of people killed by Leopold II. There are however some very questionable numbers which range from 5 to 20 million. These are regarded as estimates.

    What is PHULEAZE? is it an English word?

    Yes I do know that as well. It was an example. Fair enough it's small in the grand scale of things but that is also why I mentioned slavery in Africa.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa

    Some places more than others.

    I did not mention anything about racism in the US. I just said what the common attitude is over here that's all.

    Ok. You asked me to elaborate and that's what I did.
     
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    Oh well if you don't want to reply then no worries.

    Right. The actual purpose of this thread was to explore whether Nelson Mandela has actually earned the reverence that has been applied to him.

    But for Pete's sake stop turning this into a Black versus White debate. If you want to do that then go somewhere else.
     

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