Manufacturing Jobs Are Never Coming Back

It is incredible that Trump supporters believe the lie about bringing manufacturing jobs back.

Those jobs wouldn't come back even if Donald Trump raised tariffs to >100%.

In fact, more manufacturing jobs were created in Obama's first term than in Trump's first term.

The growth of manufacturing jobs has flatlined under Donald Trump and is more likely to decline than increase under Trump's policy.

One of the key aspects of imports is that retailers in the US can charge 2 to > 5 times ex-factory price for Chinese imports and make huge profits whereas their mark-ups on US manufactured goods would be much less because of the higher ex-factory price.

Recent trade figures in an age of declining trade demonstrated that US exports were falling at 5 x the rate of fall of US imports.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-never-coming-back/

 

Look what the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to China did for their economy.
They went from a second-rate economy that was just squirming along in the 90s to a booming one a decade or two later. All based on manufacturing exports.

And wasn't it manufacturing that originally built America's economy?

And isn't it true that the Rust Belt region of the US is languishing now that manufacturing has disappeared?
(high rates of unemployment, suicide, abandoned houses, people having to leave)

The Democratic Party completely abandoned the Rust Belt region. It used to be a Democrat bastion with powerful worker's unions, but no more. Still the Democrats continued to take them for granted. That's why they got fed up and finally voted for Trump in the last election.

And sure, technology and software is the trendy thing these days, but all that only creates a small fraction of the number of jobs that manufacturing created in America's past heyday.
(And many of these jobs tied to manufacturing were high paying, like engineers, now many of them unemployed, underemployed, or were forced to change careers. I know you couldn't tell it by the official statistics, but I've met so many people over the years who used to be former engineers with high level positions, but said the jobs dried up)

 

LOL! Jobs are flooding back! The OP is fake news.

 

I believe lefties are jealous of Trump's magic wand!

 

It is flaccid.

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Amazon is probably still making a huge mark-up out of the $6 price.

 

You must be talking about Bidens mental state.

 

Many of these engineers at manufacturing companies were paid good money. Around $69,000 to $74,000 in 1990. Which would be equivalent to $145,000 today, if adjusted for inflation.

But the glut of engineers, along with all the foreigners brought in on H-1B visas have depressed average salary levels for this field.

Of course it has been white males (as a demographic group) who have been hit hardest by this.

 

any recent poll numbers on union favorability ?

the gullible midwest numbers ?

 

Well, the thing you have to realize is that unions have been completely decimated in the private sector.
The only unions left today with any real power and clout are government employee unions. (Which is so ironic, because apparently government itself can't be trusted to ensure the welfare of the workers it is employing?)

 

i do some consulting with TWU, Teamsters, IBEW & CWA. there seems to be strong favorability up here but i thought i had read that even nationwide is coming around.

 

if Trump raised the min wage and raised tariffs, they could come back, but Trump really doesn't care about tariffs, he just uses them to get what he wants, like trademarks for Ivanka from China for things like voting machines and nursing homes

 

more likely he's just paralyzed by Congress in what policy decisions he can implement, and a big segment of the special interest groups in his own party.

It's not just a political stunt, he raised issues about this as far back as an interview by Opera in 1988.

 

Pretty funny when you look at the facts.

 

This scheme of offshoring a nations economy should not be in the best interest in general welfare and against the law.

 

If they don't come back we will lose our middle class. Have a small upper middle , the upper, and the working poor. Like neo feudalism..

We can always save ourselves. Just make what we consume using all of our market to provide good jobs.. Use tariffs wisely..

 

Are you wholly incapable of civility and not attacking posters personally? You seem perpetually angry. There is therapy to deal with such a sour mentallity.

 

Thank you for your concern. Please elaborate on your personal experience to help others of your ilk.

 

I do my best to discuss the topic and not other posters. Give that a try. Obama was a damn disgrace.

 

Who is "you"?
Your damn right it was damning, a feckless "leader" who hated America ordered them to stand down, guess what year that was?

 

It was intentional. There were promises that it would benefit the economy.
Those promises didn't really materialize so much.

 

Is that what you were going for?

 

And so your argument is Americans should just resign themselves to the current situation, just because it has been going on for 27 years.

So funny, in the old days (and 27 years is really not that long ago) the unions would have screamed at the top of their lungs to stop this.
These days, there seems to be a divide between Progressives and Unions.

But then again, like I already stated, unions in the private sector have pretty much already been decimated, so there's not much political support to gain from there.
Of course public sector unions still get coddled and catered to.
The day there's talk of outsourcing teacher jobs to India via classroom teleconferencing is the day they will turn against Globalization.

 

Have liberals not learned anything from covid? One of the main reasons we're short on masks is because we let our manufacturing companies leave.

And instead of trying to figure out how to expand our manufacturing base they just keep repeating the same mantra. What? Do they WANT the US dependent on other countries?

I think they do. But I'll keep the reasons that I think they do to myself.

 

Some simply hate America and wish to see her fall, such posters do make that obvious and tend to be one of two things...foreigners and/or Democrats

 

I remember when Clinton was justifying signing NAFTA. He said our workers would no longer come home tired and dirty but in nice clothes , ties even. Gone were those dirty factory jobs that paid well and had health insurance .. It's the information age and we will all be hooked up to the grid!

Clinton said years later if he knew then what he knows now, he would not have signed it.