Marijuana linked to "massive increase" in mental illness

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it's fake news from the prohibitionists
     
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    Marijuana doesn't even fit the DEA's own scheduling system, the DEA can't follow their own rules

    https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling

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    Schedule I

    Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are: heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote.
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The federal level of government does not officially recognize it as having accepted medical use. That is only in several states.

    I think the only main reason it was pushed for medical approval in several states is because supporters wanted to push it closer to full legalization, but knew they didn't have quite enough political support to do it, and were trying to ease their state and society into the idea.
     
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    There is no doubt about it. They can legalize it, but it WILL increase cases of mental illness. Those psycho-toxins are like acid on your brain for some people. Note, - some people, not all people. Some are prone to mental issues, and pot can be the trigger that tips the scales. I remember some people becoming very anti-social when using, and others flat out paranoid. People like that should NOT be using, but like any addiction, its hard to stop even if you want to
     
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    It's become so politically polarizing that the progressive media (which is most of the TV media) wouldn't publish a study like this even if they completely verified it as true.
     
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    what really causes mental illness... excessive carbs and seed oils

    now when stoned, don't eat those :)
     
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    No, it HAS been discussed, but its a discussion which has been going on a long time. Why should it suddenly make the headlines just because you ran in to an article about it?

    Rand Paul is a supporter of legalization. Has he published a study of its dangers?
     
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    I used to smoke the stuff damn near like cigarettes (rolled cigarettes for years, so putting a little pot in there was usual), keep a key or so as personal stash.. and shared a lot of it. I'd say that when you are smoking it daily, you don't or won't admit to the mental changes and will in fact argue that it really helps (much like alcoholics defend drinking). I would dry out for months at a time just to see if I could discern the difference and I could, altho' they were somewhat subtle. Quit altogether when I was attending church with a lot of the local officers here, it was just to hypocritical to buddy up when you were undermining their mission in secret (I'm on the border and LE are Fed border protection) and stayed quit for years.. and did notice a big change.. i.e. my speech wasn't so filled with pauses. Our youngest moved here to work from home and brought that "new" stuff, a couple of hits after so many years really floored me.. it wasn't pot in my opinion , but highly concentrated THC in a leafy form.. and not really any fun... you couldn't just kick back and smoke a joint for relaxation anymore. At that point I decided I was completely done with THC product and actually against it being legalized (prefering it to be just "decriminalized") in all my years I have know plenty of people who seemed addicted to it (I could always take it or leave it) and yes.. a little "hinky" in their demeanors.
     
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    One study found that almost a third of schizophrenia cases in young men were triggered by cannabis (marijuana) use.

    There was an article in Science News, titled "Gene could help identify psychosis risk in cannabis users", that purports that scientists found a gene that could explain why some users are more vulnerable to cannabis-induced mental psychosis.

    excerpt from article:

    Previous research has found a link between the AKT1 gene and people who have gone on to develop psychosis. In the new study, Celia Morgan, Professor of Psychopharmacology at the University of Exeter and Professor Val Curran and her team from UCL found that young people with variation in the 'AKT1' gene experienced visual distortions, paranoia and other psychotic-like symptoms more strongly when they were under the influence of cannabis.​

    Around one per cent of cannabis users develop psychosis. Although low in number, the impact can be devastating and long lasting. It is known that smoking cannabis daily doubles an individual's risk of developing a psychotic disorder, but it has been difficult to establish who is most vulnerable.​

    These findings are the first to demonstrate that people with this AKT1 genotype are far more likely to experience strong effects from smoking cannabis, even if they are otherwise healthy. Although cannabis-induced psychosis is rare, when it happens it can have a terrible impact on the lives of young people.​
     
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    Ima guess that is whats going on. We could prolly discuss endlessly the chicken vs egg of drugs and mental illness, but it has become clear to me that some people are not emotionally capable of functioning in our society of objective rules and responsibilities. Marijuana helps some of them hold on to enough sanity to function. But lets not pretend like it doesn't also ruin some folks too. For every chronically anxious person who smokes to cope, there's a normal person who smokes just to not feel bad about being lazy and useless, like they should feel, and like we all feel to avoid being lazy and useless. Being anxious about slacking is normal.

    And no, I'm not making an argument for controlling marijuana. It should be as legal as dandelions for all adults. Being lazy and useless is a lawful choice in life. I do not partake, and yall don't have too either.
     
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    One idea to address that might be to require individuals to have to pay a certain minimum amount in annual taxes for it to be legal for them to buy it. Maybe a tax amount equivalent to 30% of the median income. That could help incentivize them.
    Either that, or the individual would have to be over the age of 60. (And exceptions for terminal illness, of course)
     
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    you want to tax someone 30% of the median income yearly, for eating a plant?

    welcome to the rights idea of the land of the free
     
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    No, you misunderstood. They would have to be earning at least 30% of the median annual income (or paying the equivalent taxes on that income).
     
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    Now that you mention, I have some news from my home State, it looks like endless efforts and rejections, the pushers finally managed to get pot on the ballot

    Is Florida going to legalize recreational marijuana?
    Florida Amendment 3, the Marijuana Legalization Initiative, has qualified for the ballot in Florida as an initiated constitutional amendment on November 5, 2024. A "yes" vote supports legalizing marijuana for adults 21 years old and older and allowing individuals to possess up to three ounces of marijuana.
    A "yes" vote supports legalizing marijuana for adults 21 years old and older and allowing individuals to possess up to three ounces of marijuana.

    A "no" vote opposes legalizing marijuana for adult use in Florida.
    https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Ame...3, the Marijuana,to three ounces of marijuana.
     
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    Excessive use of pot can cause psychological problems.

    This, of course, has nothing to do with legalization no matter how much fear the Right generates.
     
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    Pot was made illegal because

    A. It is a direct competitor to alcohol which had recently been legalized and since you can grow pot in your back yard alcohol stand no competitive chance.
    B. Hemp was becoming a popular alternative to trees. Cheaper, easier to grow...Pot had to go.
    c. The propaganda campaign against pot was, in retrospect, just silly.
     
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    seems like a weird rule, anything else we could not allow the poor?
     
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    Tobacco, alcohol, and opioid pain killers are far more dangerous and addictive than cannabis, but those are still legal. Overdoses from cannabis are rare and deaths from cannabis overdose are even rarer while opioid overdoses are so common a drug was invented to stop overdoses. Yes, cannabis has health issues, but it is obvious that as a recreational drug, cannabis is a much better choice than the alternatives.
     
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    There is little correlation between "laziness" and poverty. Studies have shown that those in poverty tend to work the hardest, usually working manual labor, with many taking multiple jobs. Studies have also shown that poverty is mostly caused by external factors such as family circumstances, systemic oppression, and random events. You cannot tell me that a single mom, working two minimum wage jobs while trying to raise a special needs child is lazier than the daughter of a billionaire who sleeps all day and spends her nights partying with her rich friends.
     

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