Mass Killings at Virginia Walmart

Well, that stage was about 8' high and even at the age of 17 it was a struggle to get up onto it. I couldn't do it now.
I wasn't the only person trying but only a few of us managed. In the meantime the security were grabbing the successful idiots and frog marching them off the stage or dropping them off the front. While this was going on Jello turned round to look at us and said ''if it was me I wouldn't wait to be thrown off'' That was enough for me. I walked back to the edge that I'd just struggled so hard to climb up and did a perfect racing dive (I swam competitively) across the top of the poor crowd members bellow me impacting my testicles on someone's head.
I remember the pain and it may have been one of the stupidest things I did in my youth but I don't regret it for a second. I've been telling that story for 40 years now and Jello thought I was cool.
The support act that night was another quite famous punk band from the USA, Peter and the Test Tube Babies and Peter had also injured himself by climbing up the speaker stack then falling off and landing on the edge of one of the tumbling speakers right in the kidneys.
It was a memorable night.


Anyway, back on topic. I just had a chance to quiz Paul about the licence issue and I have a few minor corrections to make.
First of all Paul had not made an error. He had applied for the licence exactly 8 weeks to the day before his old one expired as required by law. It has to be at least 8 weeks to give it time to be processed and returned. Well a few days before his existing licence expired the local sgt turned up to do his annual inspection. Check all the guns registered to Paul were in his possession, locked in a secure cabinet with the shells and cartridges stored separately etc.
Paul mentioned it had not arrived yet and the policeman recommended that he waited until the last day and if it had not arrived yet he should take it to his local gun dealer to be kept for him until the paperwork had arrived which Paul duly did when the time came. The renewed licence arrived one day late. He could have taken them to his friend but he would then have had to record them in his farm notebook and taken his licence to the police station to have Pauls guns added to it and then go back again to have them taken off as soon as they were returned to Paul. The gun dealer was the simplest option as he could hold them without the trouble of going to the police station twice.

 

You're part of the English common law system. The English common law system is founded on the principles of natural law, IE that certain rights in a person are inherent and/or given by a creator (in the deism sense of the concept. A clockmaker god who set the universe spinning as the initial catalyst and doesn't act otherwise).
You might try this wonderful invention called "google". Just type "what is natural law" and go exploring, since you want to feign that you weren't taught this in primary school.

 

Again clever lyrics. Mocking the middle class supporters of communism and men like Che Guevara without understanding the realities of regimes like Pol Pot's in Cambodia. An anti virtue signalling song years before the term was coined
'' playing ethnicy jazz to parade your snazz on your five grand stereo, bragging that you know how the n#####s feel cool and the slums got so much soul''.
Great stuff and a banging tune to go with it.

 

You need to find the album Fresh Fruit from Rotting Vegetables.

 

I’m not gonna lie, I think Jello was right, that was a cool move.

If that was the stupidest thing you did in your youth you were more responsible than I. LOL

That all sounds sensible from Paul’s perspective and from the law’s perspective. It’s good there are options to mitigate such circumstances. I’m more of a fan of that than stories like the people that get prosecuted in New Jersey for illegal weapons because they took a wrong exit by mistake. Thanks for following up and getting Paul’s perspective.

 

My favorite line was “don’t forget to pack a wife”. Music from that era was deeply philosophical. I don’t think today’s music can match that depth. Maybe I’m just getting old…

 

I’ll look. Amazon usually only has fragments of an artist’s work.

 

I never quite understood that line.

 

It's one of the stupidest things I'm prepared to own up to on a public forum.

No problem, it's never a chore to talk to Paul although you do have to wrangle him back on topic regularly and put aside 30 minutes for a 5 minute conversation.
We also discussed why the Spitfire was held in higher regard than the Hurricane despite fewer kills, the German Luftwaffe pilot who parachuted down nearby who was rounded upon by locals with pitchforks and the only German POW that escaped and returned home all the way back to Germany from Canada via the frozen St Lawrence river, America and Spain only to die later when he was shot down again. Amongst several other diversions.

 

Your claims of strawman are false and just obfuscation. If these rights you speak of exist, they apply to all and all must observe them. One of these rights seems to be a sanctity in property ownership. Am I right?

Why do you continually address me and not the contents of my posts?

 

Oh sure, our legal origin s are in english common law, but they too are 100% man made, not the creation of some mystic deity.

 

I could be wrong but I took it as a dig on the people who criticized US serviceman returning home with Asian wives from Vietnam. Avoid the allure of local women by taking a “suitable” wife from home.


That was just my interpretation based on the time period etc.

 

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/144224477.pdf
As stated: Natural law theory holds that the rights of humans are inherent in them, either by nature or a creator giving it to you. Those rights are recognized, rather than created, by government.
You may find it a semantic difference without a distinction, but it has a clear, nuanced distinction: A government that didn't create the right shouldn't be able to wish it away or simply disregard its existence. One's behavior might open one up to punishment that would be violative of those rights, for instance one might merit imprisonment or execution for the violation of the right to life of another, brought down by the government. But the distinction is that the right exists independent of the government and so the government cannot simply say 'we're not doing that anymore'.

The English common law bears its roots in Natural law theory. The rights accepted as inherent in a person is the dead giveaway.
Please stop being obtuse.

 

Don't forget that God is man made too.

 

Ah, that could well be it.
Mystery solved after 40 years.
Thanks.

 

There is no content to your posts. You offered an unsubstantiated opinion and then proceeded to ask me a question suited for those who crafted the documents I’ve presented as evidence.

I have made a specific claim that governments in question did not create the rights in question. I supplied ample evidence to support my claim. You asking me to support claims I haven’t made is classic strawman fallacy. Still not interested. Sorry.

No, just because a right exists doesn’t mean all will or must “observe” them. If I choose to not own any private property that in no way implies I no longer have the right to do so.

If you have a problem with your government, my government, and the UN stating that rights are inherent and not created by government, take it up with them.

 

He's an atheist with an evangelical bent. He can't help it, the very idea is anathema to him.

 

I don't care at this moment, because we're not discussing murder in general.
We're discussing firearm legislation and what kind of impact it has.

The impact of firearm legislation in the UK caused a massive drop in firearm related crime. Fact.
What you are doing is the classing: whataboutism.

 

Who cares? You are comparing a small island to the US.....sad. Not to mention you have failed to backup your claim.

 

And what about the rates of violent crime? Did they increase or decrease after the populace at large was forcibly disarmed on pain of imprisonment or death?

 

From the inside, FWIW..

The shooter had been reported half a dozen times for anger issues and threats towards other employee's, Walmart chose to ignore those complains and now faces "What will be a huge suit". They have already revised their policies towards this sort of issues..

 

Call it what you like...it is man made, and then excused as having fairy origins.

 

You have to creep up on that one. To hit them so hard with that so early is a tad selfish.

 

Whether you exercise it or not is beside the point. Is the sanctity of property ownership one of these natural deity sourced rights you hold (apparently) as sacred?

 

Small? They almost got 70 million people there who were able to curve firearm violence though legislation.
Anybody who cares what firearm legislation can do, eyeballs such examples.

All in all. It's rather well known that the US is by far the most gun violent western nation compared to other western nations. It's also well known that other western nations have tougher firearm legislation. The link is clear. And I'm not going to prove the obvious. Everybody can look this up. And I'm not up to be used on a dumb wild goose chase to go prove this to somebody who doesn't care.