Measurements Show Planets Axis Wobbling = Climate Change

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  1. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, doesn't seem to work. I used the latitude of los angeles, I'm just a little north. It produces a solar angle from the zenith of 27.82 degrees.
     

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    Umm might be backwards. Closer at the north pole in summer, further in winter. Same angle, opposite side of the sun.
     
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    There is a surge in super nova, I bet that's because of global warming too.
     
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    The NOT circular orbit.
    Not the axis tilt.
     
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    Seasonal exposure because of the declination or angle of obiliquity. I know orbital varity can cause a warming, or cooling, but it is regular, annually and not very extreme.
     
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    Your measuring skills need work. Your understanding of basic astronomy needs significant work.
     
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    Well, that is empty criticism by any standard.

    I believe I have correctly interpreted this diagram.

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    Can you do better? Quote where I am wrong please, just to show your accountability.
     
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    ORBIT AIN'T CIRCULAR! :rant: :rant:
    https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/perihelion-aphelion-solstice.html
    Approximately every 100,000 years, Earth's orbital path changes from being nearly circular to elliptical. The difference of the Earth’s orbital shape from a perfect circle is known as its eccentricity. An eccentricity value of 0 is a circular orbit, while values between 0 and 1 describe an elliptical orbit. The shape of this path varies due to gravitational influences of other planetary objects.
    It's not all about axis tilt. :rant:
    http://earthsky.org/tonight/earth-comes-closest-to-sun-every-year-in-early-january
    January 2, 2018 – we reach Earth’s closest point to the sun for this entire year at 11:35 p.m. CST (central U.S.). It’ll be the morning of January 3 for Europe and Africa … later in the day January 3 for the rest of the world (January 3 at 5:35 UTC; translate to your time zone). Astronomers call this special point in our orbit perihelion, from the Greek roots peri meaning near and helios meaning sun.

    The next closest approach to the sun, January 2, 2019.
    2020 gets delayed to January 5.



    Moi :oldman:
    Support Static Earth!


    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
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    You are not worth the time.
     
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    While the wobble of the earth's axis does cause changes in the climate, the current, rapid, observed warming trend is almost certainly mostly or completely caused by mankind's actions, as all the evidence shows.
     
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    They have noticed.

    We're overdue for a good ole' Brunhes-Matuyama reversal.

    As for the axis itself, beyond precession and nutation, who knows. There are arguments on both sides of that.
     
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    That particular map shows Antarctica as it would be without ice cover.
     
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    Then perhaps you could explain why the last one was hundreds of thousands of years ago and man couldn't have affected that one.
     
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    Note that in this context we are talking about the Chandler wobble. The magnitude of this wobble is very small and requires high precision instruments to measure. The Chandler wobble has no impact on the climate. But, the climate and a bunch of other stuff do effect the Chandler wobble. Due to the small effect it's not likely we'll find evidence of it in the prehistoric record.
     
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    Well, we know it existed in the late 1800's when it was discovered. 1890 or something I think.

    Kind of hard to blame anything on it when we've only known about it for like 200 years.
     
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    Note that in this context the OP is talking about the 40,000 year cycle in the axial tilt. Scientists are well aware of this phenomenon and have noticed it in many different respects. What they haven't noticed is any deviation from the currently accepted model of it's change.

    We may be, but we don't think that is relevant to this thread. The topic was brought up because we're trying to figure out what the OP is actually measuring. The OP claims some huge deviation in the rotational or orbital characteristics of Earth that have mysteriously occurred with the last couple of months and which only the OP has noticed.
     
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    Nobody is blaming climate change on the Chandler wobble. What has been claimed is evidence for the factors that influence the Chandler wobble itself. They are numerous and include climate change.

    By the way, the Chandler wobble is important because it has implications in geolocation. For example, it's effect has to be accounted for by GPS when making high precision location/surveying measurements using GPS receivers.
     
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    Huh? That is not an appropriate response to my comments. But, if I read your comments correctly, you are wondering why the earth has wobbled in the past without human influence, and how such a thing is possible when humans are influencing the wobble of the Earth today.

    My response to that is that it is an absurd question. Forest fires can happen with or without haumns starting them. Climate can change with or without human influence. The earth can wobble, withor without influence. These seem like self evident truths that should not have to be explained to a rational person.
     
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    Exactly.

    All of these changes have occurred before man could have affected them, but the ones now we'd like to blame on carbon production.
     
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    Correct, because all of the evidence shows us that is true.
     
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    Does that evidence of greenhouse gasses also explain the vulcanism, Hawaii and Guatamala, the fissures around the globe and the now 11 degree declination of the sun between 7/17 and 8/25/18?
     
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    Okay, but doesn't the Piri Reis map also show that with greater accuracy on the other coastlines?
     
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    For one, your declination statement is grade A nonsense.

    Second:

    Why would it explain geology or physics of planetary movement? Your question is incoherent babble. Maybe you would like to rephrase it.
     
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    No. That map shows the eastern Caribbean and the Brazilian coast fairly accurately, but everything north and south of those parts is garbage. The southern continent it shows is about a thousand miles north of Antarctica, and merges with the South American continent. Piri Reis just kind of filled in the unknown areas with nonsense.
     
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    Okay, but I've known about the Reis maps for over 20 years and remember correctly. Maybe you have another, more current source. I do and did understand that he compiled maps, as did Fine. The bigger mystery is how the land under the ice was known.

    http://www.ancientdestructions.com/piri-reis-map-of-antarctica/
    "The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how the Piri Reis Antarctica map managed to so accurate 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the real coastline under the ice"
     

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