When I look at the Trump, Bannon, and Breitbart alt-right Nationalists, I see American Nationalists/Civic Nationalism. The media keeps calling them white nationalists. Am I missing something here? Where do they get this idea of them being white nationalists?
anti-semitic comments, usage of nazi terms, and heiling, kkk people endorsing trump... denying that nazis like trump is denying reality.
I've found myself in Trumps position a few times over the years. That is, having people I can't stand, liking me. YIKES!
See if you can identify the obvious, puerile fallacy you are engaging in above. Plenty of Nazis and Klan are Democrats who voted for Hillary also... but that's not the fallacy I'm talking about. To the topic, the Democrat base is in constant need of reassurance, rationalization, projection fodder because they know their basic politics advocates stealing from one person to give to another (themselves). It's a harsh realization about oneself that one is, in effect, a dishonest thief, hence the need for all manner of lie narratives on "white working class," "white nationalists," "wealth disparity," on ad infinitum, to justify the stealing, and opposed to "evil" or "stupid" people who just haven't realized the "true wisdom" of stealing from one person to give to another. Just another facet of rancid, socially toxic identity politics. The Framers saw it coming hundreds of years ago, and it's in full blossom today. If it weren't, no prayer someone like Hillary Clinton could -ever- get half the votes.
what fallacy? "plenty"? really? this isn't comming from a democrat sympathiser, so you can stop your black or white fallacy. I used to side more with republicans, but i am disgusted with the alt-right taint of this election. nor could a clown like trump ever win either. the USA is screwed, by identity politics, on both sides.
Fallacy of small sample, fallacy of representativeness, fallacy of hasty generalization. You answered OP's legitimate question, "why are US nationalists generalized as 'white nationalists?'" with childishly obvious, emotion-based fallacies. Yes, as documented in several threads and posts here. A California Grand Dragon expressed support for Hillary on youtube and claimed that Klan donated funds to her campaign. It would be silly to attribute any large scale racism to Democrat voters based on that, and it is similarly silly to attribute racism to GOP voters along the same lines. You are talking about -maybe- 2-10,000 people in a population of 320,000,000 in your generalizations, you realize that, right? Don't fall for media lie narratives issuing from our mainstream press. It is bought and sold by public unions and the ilk. The dishonest "all racists love Trump" narrative is a lie, as is the "Trump is a racist" narrative generally. People voted for Trump in no small part in retaliation against a lying media. I posted many times during the campaign that these bogus narratives would win Trump more votes, and they surely did.' I can put a fishbowl on a street corner and eventually someone will come by and make a heil Hitler salute, does that make the fish racist? Of course not. Yet you and others are bent on this warped illogical flight of emotional fantasy. Wrong, there is no equivalence, the nonleft generally doesn't practice identity politics, despite mountains of effort on the part of the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex to project as such.
The reason you find yourself in the situation you do, is not your fault. The illegal Mexicans have come in and taken your jobs and depressed wages. Muslims terrorist have infiltrated the refugees and are committing terrorist attacks on our homeland. African-Americans are the cause of most of the crime and violence in cities. Asians have taken all our manufacturing jobs off our shores. We're going to build a wall and deport all Mexicans(why stop at just the illegal ones?) We're going to ban all Muslims from entering America, and start a data-base for those here(we'll even have them wear a nice big M on their clothes so we can tell who they are) We're going to reinstate stop and frisk. That will deal with the crime and violence.(or at least we'll throw a bunch more of them in jail) We're going to force manufacturing companies to leave Asian countries and bring those jobs back to the US. (I ain't got nothing for the Asians-"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."Trump tweet.) And just imagine what Trump is going to do to those Native Americans in North Dakota interfering with that pipeline.
Has Trump ever endorsed anything Nazi or attended a KKK rally? I don't know if the KKK has a chapter in NYC. Even if they do, I don't think Trump is a member.
??? You don't sound like an Americam Nationalist. You seem to have a skewed view of what we stand for.
This was actually explained by Gavin Mcinnes in a video on the factions of the Right. In the video he explained that the term "Alt-Right" came from Richard Spencer, a white nationalist or "western chauvinist" as Gavin characterized him. However, the Alt-Right as a phenomenon grew beyond the origins of the term.
Because it paints them in a racist light regardless of facts. Why not? The goal is to create chaos and death then blame it on Trump. Keep repeating how our govt is run by the KKK and maybe liberals will start throwing fruit and raw meat at the WH? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Here's more: Introducing the ‘alt-left’: The GOP’s response to its alt-right problem
You go along with the alt. right fallacy that the only way one can be a racist is if you are saying, "we have to kill all the blacks." A racist is anyone who thinks that races matter in dealing with people, that is, that one's race will determine one's general BEHAVIORAL characteristics, his attitudes, his behaviors, intellect, etc. Trump rather clearly believes this, as was made very, very obvious in the profoundly racist way he dealt with the judge in the Trump University case. He believed, incredibly, that a person who was born in this country and brought up very far from any strong Hispanic influences, would still be unable to rise above his Heritage and do his job in the impartial way he had demonstrated throughout a long career. Right there, IMO, he revealed himself as the most dangerous kind of racist and utterly unqualified to hold ANY office in the US, let alone President.
The only color Trump cares about is green $$$. He'd hire a black Muslim lesbian if she could make money for him. Color, gender, sexual preference, etc. are irrelevant to him. But the left only has the race card to play, so I'm sure we'll hear that for the next four or eight years.
Now that he has been elected, even Trump recognizes the undesirability of basking in the adoration of the alt-right racists and publicly disavows them:
What's wrong with being white? What's wrong with being a nationalist and supporting your country's interests?
Sorry about post #13, don't know how the whole article didn't actually post, here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...its-alt-right-problem/?utm_term=.d8bd03e39efb The Fix Introducing the ‘alt-left’: The GOP’s response to its alt-right problem By Aaron Blake December 1 Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity speaks during a campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) in Phoenix in March. (Rick Scuteri/AP) On Wednesday, the conservative-leaning advocacy group One Nation released a statement on Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. “Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders Lead Alt-Left in Hijacking of Bipartisan Medical Research Bill,” the subject line read. Wait. “Alt-left?” You may have heard of the alt-right — especially in recent weeks as former Breitbart News head Stephen Bannon has been given a top role in shaping President-elect Donald Trump's administration and agenda. There remains plenty of disagreement about what exactly “alt-right” means, but it's a loaded political term carrying connotations of white nationalism and even racism. And thusly, Democrats are gleefully attaching the term to the Trump administration and the Trump-led Republican Party. The GOP's response: I know you are but what am I. Yep, apparently they're going to start calling what they view as more extreme Democrats the “alt-left.” The term isn't brand new, but it has just now gradually worked its way into the mainstream. It started with alt-right websites like World Net Daily and has graduated to the airwaves of Fox News and Sean Hannity, who has been using it for a couple of weeks now. And Trump, who has distanced himself from the alt-right term, may have played a major role in pushing it into the conservative lexicon. “Nobody even knows what [alt-right] is,” Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper in August when asked about Bannon's comments tying Breitbart to the alt-right. “This is a term that was just given that — frankly, there's no alt-right or alt-left. All I'm embracing is common sense.” Previously, the term had appeared intermittently on sites like WND and CNS News and even in a syndicated column in Canadian newspapers hitting the media's coverage of Trump. But Trump's mention seemed to bring it to the attention of more mainstream conservatives. The same night Trump used it, Lou Dobbs dropped a reference on his Fox Business Network show. A couple days later, the Washington Times' Kerry Riddell appeared on Fox News's “Media Buzz” and took issue with the media trying to label Trump's supporters as bigoted and racist: “If they're going to do that, do it with her or do it with her alt-left supporters.” By Sept. 11, conservative activist Gary Bauer used the term on Jake Tapper's CNN show. “It's not alt-right, it's not alt-left; it's alt-delete. It's get the bums out,” he said of the election. Dobbs said it again on Oct. 4. After Trump won the election, Anthony Scaramucci, a member of his transition team, dropped the term again on Hannity's show Nov. 14. “And so what's interesting about the alt-left — just to add this to it — they're not focused on [the forgotten people]. They think these people are misogynists and misanthropes and negative people.” At the end of the same show, Hannity used the “alt-left” in his question of the day: “Since the mainstream liberal, alt-left media, radical media, their coverage was so biased against President-elect Trump, do you think they owe him an apology?” Since then, it has been a mainstay. A week later, Hannity and BuzzFeed's Rosie Gray debated whether there is an “alt-radical left.” The Hannity-Gray debate is well worth a watch, and it crystallizes why conservatives like Hannity have seized upon “alt-left.” The host basically seems to take exception to the idea that there exists racism and bigotry in the conservative movement and feels the “alt-right” label is being unfairly tied to the whole GOP, suggesting the entire party is extreme. 5-Minute Fix newsletter Keeping up with politics is easy now. Sign up The use of the term “alt-left,” then, would seem to be a way to point out that there are also extremists on the left — a fact that these conservatives believe is being ignored. That's undoubtedly true; these things are a matter of degree, after all. But the difference between alt-right and alt-left is that one of them was coined by the people who comprise the movement and whose movement is clearly ascendant; the other was coined by its opponents and doesn't actually have any subscribers. “Alt-right” was a term first used by white nationalist Richard Spencer, who recently appeared at a Washington alt-right gathering and yelled “Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!” while some in the crowd made Nazi salutes. The alt-right has long used the term to identify itself. And Bannon himself previously embraced the term, saying this summer that Breitbart served as a “platform for the alt-right.” He reportedly doesn't like the term anymore, and Republicans including Trump are shunning it these days. But Bannon's “platform” comment, the demonstrated alt-right flavor of Breitbart's journalism and Trump's reliance on such alt-right-friendly and conspiracy theory-oriented media outlets have given this movement a voice it didn't have before. You can make an argument that the alt-right is being over-applied, but at least it's a thing. And it's apparently a pretty potent thing, given conservatives now want to use the inverse as a political attack. Aaron Blake is senior political reporter for The Fix. Follow [MENTION=8792]Aaron[/MENTION]blake
