Mega Victory!’ Anti-Mass Migration Populist Geert Wilders Wins Most Seats in Dutch Elections, Exit

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  1. mswan

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    How did we become so stupid over the last 20 years or so? Maybe it's still not too late to save ourselves from the mindless liberal/progressive fatal fantasy. It's possible Europe can still save itself from their insane nightmare path to self-distruction.



    Mega Victory!’ Anti-Mass Migration Populist Geert Wilders Wins Most Seats in Dutch Elections, Exit Polls Show
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...ost-seats-in-dutch-elections-exit-polls-show/

    Geert Wilders and his Party for Freedom (PVV) have swept to a stunning victory in Dutch elections, with exit polls predicting that his populist anti-mass migration party will become the largest force in the House of Representatives in the Netherlands.

    A wave of anti-mass migration sentiment across Europe has seen staunch Islam critic Geert Wilders pull a massive upset in the Netherlands, as exit polls from research agency Ipsos predict that his Party for Freedom (PVV) will become the largest party in the House of Representatives with an estimated 35 seats, public broadcaster NOS reports.

    Performing in a way that many would have considered unthinkable just a week ago, the populist party is now projected to have more than doubled its representation over the previous election in 2021 when the PVV only managed to secure 17 seats in the House.

    The PVV was followed by the leftist-green coalition GL-PvdA of Great Reset proponent Frans Timmermans at 26 seats, the centre-right People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) at 23 seats, and the centrist New Social Contract (NSC) at 20.

    The exit polls then projected the socially liberal Democrats 66 as having picked up 10 seats, falling from 24 in the previous election and seven seats for the upstart Farmer Citizen Movement (BBB) after previously only holding one seat in the chamber.

    Hailing the apparent victory, Geert Wilders shared a video on social media of himself celebrating the results while proclaiming that his party was now the strongest force in the country.

     
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    They already had a right wing government for over 10 years straight.
     
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    They have had a fragile coalition government that kept Wilders out. This is different, Wilders, leader of the anti-immigration PVV Freedom party, will lead a coalition party and may become Prime Minister. Leftist leaders call the PVV a "far right" party. I call it a common sense party . Good for the Dutch voters to support this man and his party.
     
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    How did we become so stupid? Mostly by incessant propaganda spewed by the mainstream media.

    2 out of 3 Americans do not have sophisticated perceptive abilities.

    There are 2 ways to be fooled. One is to believe false narratives, and the other is to refuse to believe the truth.
     
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    Wouldn't someone who is far right consider a far right party common sense? Just as someone who is far left would consider a far left party common sense?
     
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    Considering far right means nothing more than what liberals don't want to hear, yes. It has no actual meaning anymore, it's just another term leftists use to slander conservatives
     
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    And 4 out of 5 of those, who lack "sophisticated perceptive abilities," believe they are among the one-third, who truly have them.

    Side note: those who refuse to disbelieve their own version of the "truth," without having objectively recognizable proof of it are, more likely, convincing themselves of "false narratives."
     
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    So, in your own mindless conservative fantasy, the United States has only embraced "mass migration," "over the last 20 years or so?"

    Someone knows zilch about this country's immigration history. I'm not saying that one cannot make a thoughtful argument against our policies-- only that your OP, ain't it.

     
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    Mass illegal migration. Perhaps you've missed the fact that the civilized world is now in deep regret for brain dead immigration policies. Even our clueless Democrat politicians, so recently strutting around and virtue-signalling with their sanctuary city/state policies are now crying like little girls for someone to save them. Poor babies. If only someone had warned them.

    Unprecedented emergency’: Dem-led cities and states brace for influx of migrants
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/21/democrats-cities-states-influx-migrants-title-42-00075050

    "We need help: Eric Adams declares state of emergency amid migrant arrivals."
    “Our shelter system is full, and we are nearly out of money, staff, and space,” Adams said this week. “If corrective measures are not taken soon, we may very well be forced to cut or curtail programs New Yorkers rely on, and the pathway to house thousands more is uncertain.” His administration is calling the migrant issue an “unprecedented emergency.”







     
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    The right wingers gave it a try with Wilders like 10 years ago. And it was so fragile that it did not even last more than ONE MONTH, because Wilders pulled the plug on it! lol

    He got benched by the other right wingers because of that.
     
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    Is Europe Wising Up..?
    ~ We can hope ... :pray:
     
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    Moving the overton window ever leftward by definition makes everyone who doesn't follow it 'more extreme.' Its basically just the progressives declaring they get to define what is 'extreme.'

    ...which is, of course, itself, extremist.
     
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    What I did not miss, was that you are talking about two different things, as if they were one and the same. Immigration into the Netherlands, is not coming predominantly from illegal migrants sneaking through Europe, all the way from the E.U. border (or floating in from the North Sea). Those people have been allowed in, according to Dutch immigration policy. But you are apparently trying to compare that, with the porosity of our southern border. Border security, and immigration policy, are not synonymous. IOW: faulty analogy = thread fail.
     
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    Meanwhile, "leftist" is a term you use to slander people you don't even know and whose ideas you have no interest in hearing or considering.
     
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    Migrants =/= mass illegal migration.

    The Netherlands is known for it's tulips and plants as a whole. Dutch people own those places but picking a tulip bulb out of the dirt is a job done by cheap as hell foreign labor who legally immigrate to the Netherlands to do that. The Dutch high tech industry also floats on foreign labor who legally immigrated to the Netherlands. Foreign students also flock by the 100,000's to the Netherlands to go to their universities who many teaches in English and not Dutch because of this. It's all legal, with the aim to earn money and hope them smart people will fall in love and stick around. It's working!!! I heard it was around 90% of all the migrations to the Netherlands, leaving the 10% that's left to refugees from Ukraine and some illegals from Africa.

    And that's where the populists make a run with the truth claiming that the 10% are the problem, and they claim this will solve it all, but it won't. The Netherlands is simply a too small of a place for internationally operating massive industries trying to compete with the world. It needs foreign labor.
     
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    Isn't label making great fun...:)....it allows people to have hours of fun doing stupid things and then telling other people stupid things...label making used to be the realm of the office manager or the OCD obsessed hoarder or makeup-obsessed teens. Now label makers have proven their worth far beyond these seemingly innocuous realms where now stupid people can conveniently label people and lump them all into any category they like!!

    Label makers….for the dull and stupid who are just to idiotic to think….
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    Israel-Palestine Protests Propel Geert Wilders to Victory

    'on October 7, the day Hamas struck, his VVD Party was polling at 12 percent. Throughout the month of October, that support more than doubled.'

    'What changed? Well vast pro-Palestine protests took place in Holland. On October 14, 20,000 people marched in Amsterdam. The biggest news story in Holland in the past month was the sheer numbers of people willing to take to the streets to wave flags in solidarity with Palestine and berate their government for its unwillingness to condemn Israeli aggression.'

    'those protests triggered an angry backlash at the ballot and propelled one of Europe’s most explicitly anti-Islam politicians to victory.'

    'the impossible-to-ignore grotesque barbarity by radical Islamists in southern Israel, although the anti-Semitic parades that close to home likely had a bigger impact, especially in a country where Nazi occupation is still close to living memory. The riots in Ireland have an even more proximate cause, but I’d bet that 10/7 had some already questioning the immigration policies of the last couple of decades.'

    The Leftist leadership has facilitated invasion by those that would subdue us.
     
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    There are informed opinions, and the opposite. Opinions formed from incessant propaganda that ignores facts deserve no respect.
     
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    Do you feel, if the propaganda informing one's opinion requires one's effort to find, that makes the conspiracy-biased opinion more respectable?
     
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    A spectrum that puts Communist totalitarians and Nazis on opposite ends of the spectrum is very deceptive.

    "If we turn to the differences separating Communist, Fascist, and National Socialist regimes, we find that they can be accounted for by contrasting social, economic, and cultural condition in which the three had to operate. In other words, they resulted from tactical adaptation of the same philosophy of government to local circumstances, not from different philosophies." Richard Pipes, "Russia and the Bolshevik Regime", p. 280.

    Totalitarian politicians and every kind of authoritarian politician and their supporters are on the same end of any reality based political spectrum.

    IOW, many on the "left" and the "right" are routinely mislabelled.
     
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    Some people might describe that as a 'Great Replacement'. You guys should organize a march or something. Maybe at night....with lit torches. That will highlight the issue.
     
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    Nope, they suffered this woke crap, just like everyone else, for decades.

    Right Wingers are saying, "Told you so".

    The standard of living in the West has declined due to this crazy woke mess, but Lefties can't see it, whilst they now queue to see a doctor and find it near impossible to find rented accommodation or an affordable house.
     
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    And this was one of the key issues in the Dutch elections, the lack of housing.
    "So, we have a lot of people, young people, older people, of course, also a lot of migrants who need a house in this country."
    "The reason is that we didn't build so much housing in the last ten years. So, we had a drop in housing production and we had a quite steep increase in the population because of migration, especially labour migration, which is quite high,"
    https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...-biggest-concern-for-voters-at-dutch-election
     
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    Opinions formed by ignoring facts and evidence are not valid opinions.

    Opinions formed from fantasy and falsehoods are not valid opinions.
     

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