MEN More Likely Than Women To Feel Discriminated At Work On The Grounds Of Gender

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  1. fishinD

    fishinD Well-Known Member

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    I know this is a serious comment, but I cannot help myself... Been married a long time. LOL I can attest that the bolded and underlined part of your comment has never happened, in the history of mankind, or of any species, or any other alternate universe!

    Made me think of this meme
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    Sorry to derail - back on topic y'all!
     
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    The sex industry isn't limited to prostitutes. Strippers and sex film workers are part of that as well. Granted in the sub set of prostitutes, yes women are predominant.
     
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    Male stars in porn, male prostitutes, male strippers, make considerably less than female ones and there is a much much smaller market for it. Any random woman who is above average looking, and even some who are below average looking can make good money in the sex industry, if they so choose. Not true for most men.
     
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    Thats true. But if you look back at the context of the discussion, it was regarding an industry that is 'only for women'. Not mostly, but only.

    Still waiting for an explanation of what industry that is.
     
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    Statistically... women are underpaid when they do the same job.
    Yet men feel the discrimination?

    Pathetic.
     
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    Your image doesn't document that. Is it true? If so, by what extent? Is is significant? Is it explicit? Is it more or less significant than the explicit gender discrimination against men in "affirmative action" programs (in which white women are the biggest winners)?

    The image you link to there shows how people feel they have been treated, aside from pay rate. So those men could be complaining correctly, and women could ALSO be paid less than men for those same jobs.
     
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    Discrimination is not limited to pay. There is all kinds of areas where discrimination can occur, and can occur to either sex over the other. For example, a woman can engage in sexual harassment and get away with it (assuming a he said she said situation) more often. That is discriminatory towards men.
     
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    The image is not from @notme, but from @CCitizen instead. So asking @notme to answer for what is in the image is rather foolish. He is responding to the image, not drawing from it.
     
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    Sure. But in the end, it's the women who are hit the hardest.... by being systematically underpaid.
    It's like they that got an economic boycot going on.

    And most high end management jobs are filled with men too.
    So you know. Men are giving other men more opportunities while underpaying women.

    Yet it's the men that whine? Right. lol


    As for your sexual harassment thing.
    Cmon. Men have gotten away with it on a massive scale until #metoo got to be a thing.
    It was the norm. Sounds more like men are upset that the equal playing field hurts their eyes.
     
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    I am not making any kind of claim that discrimination against women isn't occuring. As to whether or not pay is the worse area for it to occur in is an opinion. Personally I tend to view more big picture, where I see vast improvments in some areas, lesser improvement in others, no progress in still more, and complete pendulum swings in many more.

    I will agree that the most pay discrimination occurs in the jobs that are salaried. Most wage jobs are pretty well balanced. In those areas, most of the pay gap comes from either poor negotiations skills or taking time off for work. Even then, you will find that gap between women in the same field, where some women have learned how to, or even bother to, negotiate for higher start pay or for raises, and where some of the women don't take off from work for things like pregnancy. But you will also see such gaps among men where they use their family leave more often compared to those who don't. Now there is no claim here of whether it should or should not be that way.

    There is no denial of such. I admit that it is a pendulum swing, at least in certain areas. More men may sexually harass women still, but less and less are getting away with it, while more and more women are harassing and getting away with it. It can be viewed as poetic justice, but again that is an opinion. But it doesn't eliminate the fact that there are areas, not just limited to the work area, where men are discriminated against simply for being men.
     
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    As noted. Women hardly are present in high end management positions. Women are also in general underpaid. If you want to see some bigger picture here, than indeed a progress is being made. If you look at the responds of the males now,... they claim the feeling of being discriminated eventhough on paper they STILL are ahead of women in general. So you know,... freaking tough for ya. Also, even a bigger picture... we both know this... specific WHITE males are on paper far ahead.

    You go source this. Besides when parents make a decision to have a family, it seems you're kind of fine that only the women get discriminated over this.

    I think it's very hard to put a number on who is getting away with it. But putting it this way. Donald joked that he could sexually assault women without any consequences. And people just laughed with him and made him president. Some message that was.
     
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    They are not paid less

    What is pathetic is the on going myth of the pay gap
     
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    He did not joke about assaulting women
     
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    No what is pathetic is that the gender pay gap was debunked yuears before Trump and he has nothing to do with it.

    You cannot find any job or occupation where men work side by side with women doing the exact same work and get paid more. The link you provided cites generalities. For example medicine. DO male doctors on AVERAGE earn more? Yes but that is because men generally choose to go into higher paying medical specialities such as plastic surgery. Women will generall go into lower paying specialities such as gynocology.

    That is the cause of the so called gap across the board. Women, generally, tend to make choices which result in lower income while men, generally, make choices resulting in higher income. For example men work far more hours especially overtime hours then women. Men choose difficult but higher paying oaying jobs more than women do. Suchj as jobs which require exposure to the elements, or require long periods away from home. This is why few women choose to become truck drivers. Great pay but one usually has to statrt out over the road which means weeks or even months far from home and family.

    The Bureau of Labor statistics which first reported the pay gap reported the exact same cause for the gap long ago and has proven it in detail

    When one removes all the variables such as personal choices in types of work and hours at work, and many other variables, the gap vanishes.

    It is based on personal choice and has nothing to do with sexo or gender or patriarchy or anything else. We see the same effect even more pronounced in nations such as Sweden and Norway which are considered by some to be mmore egalitarian. The gap grows even larger because people are free to decide for themselves. Men and women are different and generally have different motives.

    When you read the entire quote you will see Trump was referring to women and celebrities and sometimes women LET themselves be grabbed and manhandled. Which is true. It happens backkstage at endless rock concerts or rap concerts or other venues.

    Distasteful but not assault.
     
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    Prove it or lose it.

    "Letting women" being grabbed in their private parts, and you claiming it's... "but your honor I saw it in their eyes, that they wanted me to do that"... will not fly.
    You're just sweettalking what a sex offender would say. Obviously.
     
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    Already have

    Especially since no one can find such a job as I mentioned.

    Prove me wrong or ****

    When one lets you it is consent no one said a word about the look in their eyes

    Deal with it
     
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    You're just all talk, but refuse to prove anything. No sources anywhere.
    And nope. It's your claim, so your burden to prove it.
    Not going to prove you wrong when you refuse to prove you're right.

    Deal with it.
     
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    Wrong.

    The fact that you cannot find or name such a job proves it.

    You lose now grow up
     

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