Merkel arrives in Russia for talks with Putin about Iran, Ukraine and energy

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  1. vis

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    Well the only thing I would like to know is if they come up with anything new on Iran, the rest is fairly predictable... Merkel wants Gazprom's gas and she is going to get it.
     
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    If I were the Russians, I wouldn't sign any peace treaty with Germany.
     
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    Why...the last one only cost about 30 mln...dead:)).
     
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    Merkel asked Putin to use his influence to make Assad take the migrants back and Putin agreed.

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    And thats how diplomacy is done. Thats the reason why Germany doesnt see USA as ally anymore. What does Trump give us?

    Our greatest wish is to speed up the deportation of the migrants. USA does not help in any way. Infact USA made things worse with its stupid attack few weeks ago.

    Trump wants Germany to sanction Iran.

    Trump wants tariffs on German products.
    Trump wants that Germany pays more for medicine.
    Trump wants that Germany buys american gas.

    Where do we see trump offer something=?

    German diplomats say the meeting between our chancellor and trump was a traincrash. Trump doesnt know basic facts. He says what he demands and dont want to hear what German interests are. Trump base evrything on threats, harassment and insults.

    There comesa time when you have to reevaluate things. Germany was allied over 70 years with USA. Not always did our countries agree on evrything. But now the common ground is lost.

    One of the ignorant americans here made it clear in another topic.

    When i asked if USA would be able to help us to deport the syrians in return we would buy american gas or put sanctions on Iran, the answer was our problem is our problem but we must help USA because its the right thing to do. ...

    That showed me the american way of thinking: "what mine is mine and what you want is debateable"

    Its ironic. When i was a small kid in the late 90th i was a fan of USA-German friendship. I had toy space shuttles. Loved american movies like Jurassic Park and always wanted to visit USA. But that faded more and more and now we reached the point where we are almost at enemy status.

    I have no illussions about Putin. But he stands for his words.

    @Talon @Thedimon @Mac-7
     
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    She probably realizes the west is going to need Russia in the upcoming 'war of good against evil'. Shame some of the 'empty vessels' on this site don't have the nous to realize it too.
     
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    On the day Angela Merkel arrived for talks with Vladimir Putin, the European Union activated legislation that would block the US sanctions against Iran on its territory. Moreover, the national governments of the EU countries have been able to compensate their companies for damage if they suffer from direct action by the US.
    This means that the European Union, which was balancing on the verge of an economic war with the United States, not only made a choice in favor of confrontation, but supplemented the economic conflict with a political confrontation. For the United States, Europe's refusal to join the anti-Iran sanctions is primarily a political slap in the face. Refusal to recognize the right of Washington to single-handedly determine the policy of the West. But if the EU no longer recognizes the US as an indisputable authority, then they are no longer a world hegemon.
    Previously, Washington could still argue that only "revisionist powers", like Russia and China, are against it, and they want to destroy the global order that is dear to the heart of every civilized person. Now Europe has opposed the most principled American initiative in all recent years.
    The EU could not fail to understand what they were doing. But neither the European bureaucracy, nor the French, nor other Europeans would have allowed themselves such liberties, had they not been assured of the tough position of Germany, which is the financial and economic foundation of the EU. Europe without Germany means even less than the CIS without Russia.
    That is, the US is dealing with the German insurgency, and Washington understands this. Moreover, they understand that control over the EU can only be restored if this insurrection is quickly suppressed. Otherwise, the international weight of the United States will begin to fall catastrophically, and no carrier-based strike joints will help the cause.

    Thus, going to Sochi, Merkel knew that Germany had lost its main ally in the West. Moreover, the US has become for Berlin a hostile force that will try to change German policy at any cost. To resist the pressure of Washington, Germany can only rely on Russia. She has no other option. Germany alone will not survive, the EU has many internal contradictions. In addition, political prostitutes, such as the Poles and the Baltic, will oppose Germany. There is no other state in the world that is strong enough and self-sufficient in military, political, economic and financial terms to extend Germany's helping hand. Only Russia.

    It is therefore not surprising that Angela Merkel almost fully supported Russia's position on Syria. The Federal Chancellor did not object to even Putin's proposal to the EU (more like a demand) to take part in the restoration of Syria.
    Merkel's position on the Ukrainian issue was more than constructive. Honestly speaking, the Chancellor has long been visibly burdened by his relations with the Ukrainian president. She meets with him without pleasure, tries to do this as rarely as possible, and, most importantly, has long ceased to practice joint approaches to the press. After the talks, Poroshenko alone tells journalists about his "successes." Later (for a day or two), the department of the Federal Chancellor or the German Foreign Ministry clarifies the information, turning virtual successes into real failures.
    Finally, despite the continuing pressure of the United States, Merkel once again stated the need to complete the Nord Stream-2 project. Putin gave her a pass, promising to leave the transit through Ukraine. But such promises have sounded before. They have always depreciated by the fact that no one has ever called the volume of this potential transit, and the only time announced by Gazprom last year in the figure of 10-15 billion cubic meters was an undisguised mockery of Ukraine, as it fixed the volume 1.5-2 times lower than necessary for cost-effective work Ukrainian GTS. That is, Kiev, in this case, not only would not have earned anything on transit, but also would have suffered losses.
    This time Putin additionally devalued the promise to keep the transit through Ukraine. He not only did not specify the amount of possible transit, but he also said that it will be preserved if the new transit agreement proves beneficial to all economic entities. That is, Ukraine should make Russia a proposal that is more profitable than pumping through the "Northern Stream - 2". The Chancellor did not object.

    And how to object, if she made her choice before the trip. Otherwise, the EU statement on Iran would not have sounded on the day of the meeting.
     
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    Why? If you are hinting at Molotov-Ribbentrop, then this was a very important agreement for the USSR. We can say this is the diplomatic victory of the USSR.
    1. the beginning of the war was postponed for two years, which enabled the USSR to create a new military industry.
    2. European countries were attacked by the Germans and were forced to fight on the side of the USSR.
    3. The USSR returned the lands of the Russian Empire, occupied by Poland during the civil war in Russia.
    . And a number of other advantages.
    But if the Soviet Union had not signed a peace treaty with Germany, the war with the USSR would have started two years earlier, all the countries of Europe would have fought on the side of Germany ... The USSR would certainly have won the war, but the victims would have been much greater.
     
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    I wonder what merkel gave putin
     
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    You will be informed in due time, if Merkel and Putin decide to do it.
     
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    Nord Stream 2 is emerging as the "straw that breaks the camel's back" between Germany and the U. S.

    Link: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ipeline-is-new-front-in-u-s-clash-with-europe

    Germany is, by far, the strongest and most influential 'player' in the EU, and the Germans definitely WANT that pipeline, which will bring cheap, plentiful natural gas right into their country.

    In a greater sense, for several years I've been seeing more and more conditions brewing that may very well result in much closer economic ties between Germany and Russia. Such developments could be very beneficial for both of those countries.
     
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    In return we accept Assad as leader in Syria.
     
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    Anything that brings Russia into the West as a responsible partner would be welcome. We don't need a rogue Russia. I'm not being naive, just extremely optimistic.
     
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    I have a question, how do you see our position? How we react to trumps threats, disrespect and harassments? Can some americans understand why we act as we act now?
     
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    I said over ten years ago, right after Muslims committed the Beslan school massacre in Russia, that if "W" Bush had any sense, he'd make an alliance with Russia in order to eradicate violent Islam from the modern world. Bush could have done it, but, he didn't. Now, many years later, we've got this tense, pissy, standoff-ish relationship with Russia that is almost as bad as the old "Cold War" (which I remember very, very well).

    We could still do it, though. We, the Russians, and the Chinese, could form an alliance and exterminate violent Islam of every variety from all parts of the civilized world. Instead, we pile sanctions on Russia for taking back Crimea, which had been a part of Russia since 1783, and which has always been predominantly Russian for at least the past 235 years. Brilliant!
     
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    I don't remember if Putin or Merkel has the longest rule. I know Putin surpassed Stalin, not sure if Merkel out ruled Hitler. They will enjoy each other's company, maybe they plan to divide europe again?
     
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    This is proof that Germany is colluding with Russia and knew about the tampering.

    We should immediately put sanction on Germany for interfering in our elections.
     

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