Mine workers union holds off giving its endorsement to Obama

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's hard to understand why they would endorse Obama when he's seriously attempting to kill off their jobs. Does he have something else for you to do besides mining coal? Maybe he'll have a one way ticket for you to move to China and build solar panels or India to build wind turbines in GE's plants over there?

    If you work in any industry related to coal energy, you NEED to vote against Obama as he wants to see you unemployed!!!!
     
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    I'm trying to figure why a coal miner would expect a strong future at this point. It's going on four decades of solidly growing public opinion turning away from coal and toward other energy sources. It's not like that trend will ever turn around.

    Just seems silly to expect prosperity as a coal miner. If I were one (especially with a family), I would find something with a future and get involved in some retraining.
     
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    So, Coal Miners should vote for Romney?
     
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    I only know they should get out of coal mining. :)
     
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    Because Obama wants to destroy their livelihood.
     
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    As most of us know, what Obama wants is irrelevant. Half of America's electricity is generated by coal. Obama could be elected for another four years and he will be able to do almost nothing about that.

    In reality, public opinion against coal has been growing for decades. Coal has history against it, pure and simple. With the expanding development of alternative energy sources, the argument for continued coal usage will maintain it's downward spiral.

    It's only a matter of time before the dollars stop making sense, and that's when it will be lights out for coal.
     
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    Obama has stated his desire to close coal power plants, why would anyone working in the coal industry vote for an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) who's is dedicated to their demise?
     
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    Yea in what a hundred or more years! I think what Obama predicted that Coal Mines would be shut down if he had his way and cost of electric would sky rocket as we are now seeing. I think Coal is on the brisk of a resurgence fueled by the high cost of electricity by your so called alternative sources which just isn't today or likely in the near future to produce enough cheaply to replace Coal. Start with making people go hungry or cold and you will see a political backlash and likely serious unrest, the supporters of so called alternative sources is what's truly endangered.
     
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    If they vote Republican, their jobs are going to turn into $12/hr death fests as the RNC breaks the Unions and makes it a return to the employer's paradise of the early 20th century!

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    Obama didn't predict anything, he was talking about what was already happening. The building of new coal plants started falling sharply around 2000. Obama doesn't have anything to do with it.

    Coal is fighting such an uphill battle against public opinion that they are now running ads ("Clean Coal") in hopes of talking the public out of how they feel. Obama doesn't have anything to do with that.

    Coal's problems started with the problems coal causes, not with Obama. He's just one of a long series of public figures echoing public opinion.

    Electricity prices are up because coal plants are getting shuttered due to age pushing them over the pollution limits. The good news is they are being replaced by somewhat cleaner natural gas plants by and large. As alt energy continues to spread across grids, the load on plants will be spread further and further out over years and cause their pollution levels to not tick so high too soon.

    This is a trend that started before this administration and will continue well past it and through the next five or ten administrations. It's bigger than politics.
     
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    As long as eco-marxist, crony capitalist, market manipulating mother (*)(*)(*)(*)ers like Obama keep their coercion out of private sector energy production, coal will continue to be an inexpensive, relatively clean and safe source for another 200 years
     
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    "Relatively clean"??? :lol: Compared to what?

    Sure, that's why eating tuna fish is as bad as cleaning up broken CFL bulbs!

    And even if acid rain is not in the headlines, it has not disappeared, and will come roaring back if pollution standards are compromised.
     
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    If that's true, then why has public opinion changed over time to be less and less supportive of coal?

    You said coal will "continue" to be an inexpensive, relatively clean and safe source. Here's the problem:

    1. It STOPPED "continuing" to be anything of the sort starting around 25 years ago. Starting over 10 years ago, less plants were getting built or refurb'd in the U.S. Why? Public opinion is against it.

    2. Coal was "relatively clean and safe" compared to competing energy technologies back in the early to mid-twentieth century. That is no longer true, hence why public opinion has trended against it for several decades running.

    Nothing will turn that tide.

    But don't let me stop any desperate anti-Obama sentiment from being claimed as the real issue. :D
     
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    the eco marxist left won't allow the expansion of clean nuclear...the free market simply won't support all their other utopian "green" energy bull(*)(*)(*)(*) yet...so you get coal...which is considerably cleaner than it was just a few decades ago, and it's plentiful.
     
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    Let me tell you something, son...in regards to energy, "public opinion" hinges on what it costs at the pump, or to cool and heat someone's home....not what some dumb (*)(*)(*)(*)ing granola eating leftie academics propagandize as "public opinion"
     
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    You're right about the bad publicity the Coal Industry has recieved, some of it valid mainly working conditions but Mining is Mining. Just like drilling for oil or natural gas tends to be very dangerous. Yet outside of the actuall work the negative publicity you speak of comes basically from one group of people, a minority mainly made up of the rich enviromentalist. As I stated, those are the ones endangered. You foolishily stated that other sources such as Natural Gas will fuel the electrical grid yet at a higher price. Not just for electricity, it will cause Natural Gas to go up just as the stupid crap such as using corn in fuels! How long can a society, a productive society, by nature of the people that occupied it sit idly while watching their children and love ones go hungry and cold?

    While Obama isn't the first he has place the idea of breaking the back of the Coal Industry on the front burner. Did the Democrats carry WV last few election cycles? No, first time in over a hundred years? This public outcry isn't share by the public as your opinion seems to take for granted but a small rather "Nazi" type of group that is seemingly endless on their defense of global warming even though not one bit of science backs them up or even destroys their theories of such events occuring. It has gotten to this point, that the Democratic Party that has been taken over by such groups is watching over its downfall. If Florida or Ohio goes solid Republican such as WV say more like Texas the Democrats will not be able to win a national election for a generation.

    You failed to understand that higher energy prices such as electricity hurts the lower classes much worse then the upper classes. That is who will face the brunt force of such inflation! Plus don't count on the stupidity of the people to carry on when they face life threatening decisions that people like you make on a whim. Everyone in a way understands that the fall of America, comparing the 50's and 60's to today. There is one missing factor that we don't have today that our grandfathers had in their day. That is simply an American willing to dig coal and drill oil creating the largest producer and sellers of BTU's worldwide. We still have the resources in plentiful supply to once again dominate the world in BTU production, it will come back. Obama years I predict is what America will view years from now an say that woke us up like a cold washcloth accross the face an we understood that America can only fall from within.
     
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    Coal slowed down because of other heating sources!~ Then came government regulations, public opinion had nothing to do with it.
     
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    "If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from." – Barack Obama, 2008 Democratic Convention, Denver Colorado
     
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    Ya gotta love it, the Democrats pushed Coal back in the 70's.

    Democrat jackasses pushed Coal back then and are pushing solar now. How many times do they have to be wrong before the party disappears from the political landscape?
     

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