Ministers & Senators that vote for the carbon tax are not true Australians

By handing out money the LIB party has left..By then spending money that was borrowed... YOU are the one that is unwise bud...tell me if you can, what caused the money probs in greece and other countries...dont you think spending money they DIDNT have might have a lot to do with it... The labor party is putting us further and further into debt and now even wants to break into the future fund the LIB gov set up.. LABOR=FISCAL LUNACY

 

They waaaaaaaaaay overspent money that they didn't have and couldn't afford to spend back. Australia is not in that position. See, ignorant.

Australia's level of spending in no where near theirs.

Ignorant.

Next you'll claim that the economy would be healthier is no one borrowed any money.

 

We are going further and further in debt...the sooner we get rid of these idiots the sooner we can get things under control and the country back on track. Tell me if the gov is doing a great job with the budget...how much money have they wasted on USELESS green schemes that have failed..

 

Want to know how you tell? Is enemployment low? Are people better off than they were?

Oh that's right, people have more money, more houses, bigger houses, etc than when the Liberal Party was in. Yeah, the Liberals were great!

 

The carbon tax will be the death of the labor party and the greens.. cant wait for that to happen. The greens have in the past done well in elections but the failout over this carbon tax issue and others will hit them hard. With any luck they will be wiped from the political landscape in aust, we dont need their fake policies nor do we as a country WANT them...
The labor party will try all kinds of smear campaigns at the next election but they will not be able to outshine the FACT that they have stuffed up and are nothing more than a pack of liars.

 

Have you heard of Tony Abbott? He has a different story about the same thing every day. He even admits that he lies and this is the guy that you think is trust worthy compared to all others? (*)(*)(*)(*)ing laughable.

 

Hows that forecloser rate looking bud...

 

I would take him at his word over juLIAR and commie bob any day.

 

Even though he admits that he lies all the time? Even though he's admitted that he's only against the carbon tax because he's in opposition and that if he was in government he would have introduced it?

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And the GST was oh so bad for the Australian economy... oh, hold up, what a second, it didn't really make that much of an impact. So, what you're therefore saying, when you equate the GST with the Carbon tax, is that it won't really have much of an effect. Well done for admitting that right off the bat. I get it, this was a little bit of tongue in cheek.

Because power generation and mining need to be done in Australia, so it's not like it will drive jobs off-shore.

Lower the standard of living? What, you mean that we may have to revert to cost and energy efficient items to keep to our current standard of living?

I think you need to rephrase that to 'I too want to clean up the environment just as much as any greenie BUT God forbid I have to actually change the way I live or contribute a single cent to see that happen'.

 

Oh God, here we go again, we desperately need a change to combat our emissions and other man made problems, while there are some, who would like to continue ignoring the truth.
I think it is very unaustralian, not to act on those problems. Carbon tax is one way, although perhaps not the best...

 

Its been proven that the carbon tax will do NOTHING to help the environment bud.
What it will do is push more jobs overseas.

 

No it hasn't.

Please don't tell lies.

What HAS actually been proven is that emissions trading can reduce pollution - as was done in the USA under the acid rain program:

The Acid Rain Program has produced remarkable and demonstrable results. It has reduced SO2 emissions faster and at far lower costs than anticipated, yielding wide-ranging health and environmental improvements.Budget (OMB) study found that the Acid Rain Program accounted

http://www.epa.gov/capandtrade/documents/ctresults.pdf


It seems sensible to address carbon pollution with the same method that has already been proven to be beneficial in reducing sulfur pollution

 

The saving that "could " be made by us will be wiped out by chine and india...yes that has been proven so you shouldnt tell LIES....

 

You wrote:
"Its been proven that the carbon tax will do NOTHING to help the environment"

That is complete nonsense.


Reducing emissions will help the environment. And it has been proven in other programs that emission trading can reduce emissions.

It HAS NOT been proven that the carbon tax will do NOTHING to help the environment.

Please stop making things up.

 

More of this gobblegok..... The carbon tax is a scam and thats all there is to it.

It will NOT reduce global emissions nor will it drop temps ..

 

What an attitude mate,
always the China/India excuse. We have a responsibility in the world community, and we do everything not to deliver....

 

So you have swallowed the carbon lie... We emit what % of the world co2? And why should we pay the worlds biggest carbon tax?
All for a problem that isnt even a problem?????????

 

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So what is the worlds responsibility?

Considering China will wipe out any steps we make in decreasing emissions within days, how can they not be considered?

What an attitude indeed!!!

 

THat is a nice childish way to back away after you were caught making things up!!!

You wrote:
"Its been proven that the carbon tax will do NOTHING to help the environment"

That is complete nonsense. Where has this been "proven". Plese show us or apologise for telling lies.

What has been proven in other programs is that emission trading can reduce pollution:
The 2004 compliance year marked the 10th year of the program. During that period, the Acid Rain Program has:

Reduced SO2 emissions by over 5 million tons from 1990 levels, or about 34 percent of total emissions from the power sector. Compared to 1980 levels, SO2 emissions from power plants have dropped by 7 million tons, or more than 40 percent.
Cut NOx emissions by about 3 million tons from 1990 levels, so that emissions in 2004 were less than half the level anticipated without the program. Other efforts, such as the NOx Budget Trading Program in the eastern United States, also contributed significantly to this reduction.
Led to significant cuts in acid deposition, including reductions in sulfate deposition of about 36 percent in some regions of the United States and improvements in environmental indicators, such as fewer acidic lakes.
Provided the most complete and accurate emission data ever developed under a federal air pollution control program and made that data available and accessible by using comprehensive electronic data reporting and Web-based tools for agencies, researchers, affected sources, and the public.
Served as a leader in delivering e-government, automating administrative processes, reducing paper use, and providing online systems for doing business with EPA.
Resulted in nearly 100 percent compliance through rigorous emissions monitoring, allowance tracking, and an automatic, easily understood penalty system for noncompliance. Flexibility in compliance strategies reduced implementation costs.
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/progress/arp04.html


Now - please explain why you are trying to tell us you little fibs with no evidence to support them?

 

You do realise don't you that China is implementing emissions trading?

Polluted China plans carbon emissions trading scheme
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s-trading-scheme/story-e6frg6so-1226096969756

Why do we get out if it when each Australian person produces far more pollution than the average Chinese person does.

 

You are not talking about CO2 in your example are you...please try again. Prove to us that man made AGW is real ( dont cite computer models thanks as we all know how they can only PREDICT not PROVE) And while you are at it PROVE that gillards carbon tax is going to
a/ reduce total global emissions of co2
b/ cool the planet by how many deg c.

after you can do all this without LYING to us i may just do as you ask

 

Chine is building MORE coal fired power stations...as is india and other countries.

 

And here is the key quote.

Someone who doesn't even understand the issue throwing their two bob's worth in. One of Tony's "Climate Change is Crap" disciples! One of Alan Jones' Senior Citizen Army!!!