Moonbeam Makes the Use of the Words Husband and Wife Illegal in California

All of the legal protections but we won't call it marriage. Sounds like "separate but equal" to me.

I'm still waiting for someone to provide a rational explanation for how allowing homosexuals to marry will destroy marriage.

 

That's because you look for things that don't exist or are not said.

 

Because marriage is the union of one man to one woman. Changing that destroys the one man / one woman ideal which has endured the test of time.

I don't know why it's so important for some to tear down the building blocks of civilization. Is it selfishness?

 

it dilutes the meaning of what a marriage has stood for for centuries. In order to get into Harvard a person has to meet certain standards, right? If Harvard reduces those standards then the value and importance of going to there has been lessened. There are certain standards that we abide by with marriage and I don't want them diluted. When I say I'm married I want everyone to know exactly what it is I'm talking about and it doesn't include the ABCs or pastel colored flags.

 

Gee, spouse? How weird! Get a clue, the husdand=male, wife=female.

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BS. Everything liberals touch destroys.

 

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*)...I've never seen so many supposedly grown people so insecure in their marriages that they see gay marriage as "destroying" or "diluting" it. If a couple of dudes saying that they're married negatively affects your marriage in any way, shape or form then you have way bigger problems than this.

 

Odd how quick drunk random Vegas marriages, sixth wives, and 60% divorse rates are not even on the radar. It's the evil gays that are destroying the "institution of marriage".

 

You spend every nickel you have on a home because it's perfect for you, it's the house you want to live in for the rest of your life. The house is painted perfectly, the trees are full and green, and the lawn looks like it belongs on the PGA tour. Your neighbor's house has peeling, sun faded paint, the windows are broken, the lawn is brown and the trees are dead. But not to worry, that doesn't destroy, dilute, or negatively affect your property, because none of that affects what your home means to you.

 

Are you trying to suggest that a marriage is a commodity that could be sold?

Are you trying to suggest that you don't like your neighbors? If so, is it because they are gay or because they are bad at horticulture?

 

Well, we made the same change here in WA, because we see women and men as equal under the law.

When same sex marriage came along, we were wondering how our laws might need to change. But, with the change to "spouse" already having happened, there really wasn't any significant change to make.

 

I'm not suggesting anything. If your home is perfect for you then what difference does it make if your neighbors have a house similar to the Addam's family?

 

Go for it. Do me a favor and let me know how it turns out for you.

 

Well, now that gay marriage is legal where you live, I guess you'll just have to sell your current marriage and buy a new marriage out in the country...?

 

So what you're saying is that anyone with a nice house has to move to make room for the (*)(*)(*)(*) holes. Thanks, you've just turned marriage into Detroit.

 

Sad that You think the worth of your marriage is dependent on your neighbors. Glad my marriage doesn't have anything to do with someone else's.

 

Perhaps I've been too hasty. I see that you live in New Mexico and that gay marriage has been legal there for a year or more. Please give me an idea of the state of your marriage prior to gay marriage becoming legal and then maybe describe the degraded state of your marriage today that resulted from legalized gay marriage. How much worse is your marriage now than it was then? Maybe you'll convince me to change my stance.

 

i tried it...didnt work out too well...she made me take her out to dinner...and then she said that there never be another time because next time will be worse...

 

Separate AND unequal. Only women give birth and only men are held responsible for them doing so.

 

Child birth is not a perquisite or a requirement for marriage, or did you have a point?

 

No? Don't want to answer?

Maybe someone else could describe to me how their marriage took a turn for the worst after the legalization of gay marriage? I really want to understand where you guys are coming from so I can reevaluate my position. There seems to be a lot of marriages that have been negatively affected in a big way...but nobody seems to be able to put their finger on exactly how their marriage has been destroyed and/or diluted because of this. Odd.

 

No one claimed it was. Try to resist the allure of every strawman you can conceive.

They are separate AND unequal.

 

Listen, if a guy falsely puts on a military uniform along with all kinds of medals he didn't actually earn he'd be arrested. But why? That doesn't impact or change the meaning of your military service and medals, right?

You guys on the left have assigned a letter to every deviant sexual group and jumbled them all together so you can define who you are. But you know what? In the description of sexualities you intentionally leave out "straight" yet you then want what straights have - you love your labels but hate to be labeled. On one hand you proudly announce your differences from the norm only to then try to redefine what the norm is. Even when discussing the subject we just can't say marriage and know where it's coming from, we have to qualify it by saying traditional or same sex marriage.

For centuries marriage has been defined as a union between one man and one woman. With you guys on the left, not only do you want to change something that has been practiced world-wide for ages, but these days you also want to redefine what a male and female are.

I get it, you're gay, and the reason why you're called gay is because you're not straight. See, if definitions didn't matter then those words would not exist. That they do exist shows that people like their properly defined labels and like to be placed in their properly defined groups.

You have your rainbow flag and you have your alphabet soup, those are all of your making. Why can't you go one step further and come up with your own term for marriage, one that will go hand in hand with your self segregating flags and letters.

 

So first you claim a statement as basis for the reasoning behind separate and unequal in the institution then state you never claimed it has anything to do with the institution and the you claim the original statement again?

Ok - very rational thought pattern you have

 

Nice rant.

I notice that you failed to spell out how your marriage sucks now as a result of legalization. Why is that? Why can't you put into words how your marriage has been affected by gay marriage? You're very adamant that it has been affected but you can't say how...strange...

 

Your military scenario shows how deluded you are on this topic - you are taking something that people sacrifice themselves to protect and serve and equating it to something the "straights" do as a fun drunk night in Vegas with the stranger they have just met.

I noticed you danced all around the original question. Does gay marriage change your marriage? Yes or no and how - and no delusional irrelevant hypotheticals. If you can not answer that simple question then you should reevaluate your stance.

Slaverly was once a time tested means of labor and power - using an appeal to tradition shows again, you have no real argument. One day marriage will not have to be qualified as traditional or gay as a marriage between two women will be just as traditional as a marriage between a man and a woman - why is this a bad thing?

And to your last point about coming up with their own term for marriage - this isn't simply a term - it is a collection of legal protections, benefits, and safety systems they are fighting for. Gays attempted to apply for civil unions first (leaving your all so pure "marriage" out of the equation), it was shot down and made illegal by the social conservatives in their ultimate quest for control. You started a war to win an ideological battle and are now upset about the results.