more American troops on our soil....

just wondering what your thoughts on this subject are:

Labor has agreed for more US troops to train in Darwin, and now Western Australia (Rockingham) is discussed to harbour more US vessels.

Don't you find it a bit odd, that our government can decide such a thing, without asking the people of Australia, what they want?

I would love to see more Swiss style action, where people turn up on a Sunday to vote and decide about very important matters.

What is your thought on this subject?

 

Did you miss the election?

 

Does my vote on election day has an impact on whether more foreign troops are employed on our soil? I doubt so very much...

 

You vote for someone to represent you in parliament. Read the constitution.

 

well, if more foreign troops to be employed on our soil than my limit is reached.

I know I cannot change it, but would love to see the Swiss model incorporated once decisons have to be made, which are of such an importance.

So in order for people to vote in an referendum, the constitution needs to be changed, is that what you are saying?

 

I disagreed with Australia’s involvement in the Iraq & Afghanistan wars, and I certainly don’t agree in allowing addition foreign troops onto Australian soil.

I also agree in principal that the people of Australia (not just 300 politicians) should be able to have a “direct say” in whether or not they want foreign troops stationed permanently on their soil.

Yes, the Swiss people are extremely progressive, and if Australians had more of this kind of action, then we would definitely have a better and fairer working system.

Unfortunately, when Australians vote for either the Liberal or Labor parties at Federal or State levels of Government, they are also voting for the USA to do whatever they like here IN Australia.

To even consider Australia to have any autonomy or to be an equal ally with the USA is pure childish fantasy. The only valuable importance the USA places on Australia’s is due to its strategically placed location in the South Pacific.

The USA showing its “military teeth” towards China by placing American troops on Australian soil is not in Australia’s “best” future interests, and they will only get more Australians killed in another conflict of their making. Its time the USA were told that if they want to start and fight wars by their own creation, then they must do so on their own.

Australians HAVE to remember that due to Australia’s direct involvement in the Iraq & Afghanistan wars saw Australians exposed to terrorism ( Bali Bombing) for the first time in our history. Eighty eight Australians died in the Bali bombing because 300 politicians decided to back the USA and take ALL Australians to war against an enemy based of false accusations and information.

 

No, under constitutional law referendum are only used to change the constitution, not make public policy.

 

Unfortunately, there are too many people in Australia just like "panzerkampfwagen" who would actually spend 24 hours per day trying to shove their heads up their own bums if the Government told too. Completely unable to think beyond the square.

That's why on international IQ testing the Swiss are 21 places above Australians.

 

If we took a vote i would vote NO.

When i voted for Julia i didn't vote for more foreign troops on our shore or for the carbon tax or for her to reform the health system.

Just like when i voted for Hawk/Keating i didn't vote that our dollar should be floated or our commonwealth bank be sold of.

Actually it was for the opposite that i voted for Gillard because she promised.

And who would have thought a socialist government would have floated our dollar so then overseas corporations could walts right into our country and buy our utilities for half price.

I'm with you on this one, important decisions should be put to the vote.

And i say send the romans back to rome, especially when China is our biggest client.

Here we are helping the romans to surround China, you see thats what they do once they feel threatened financially military, political or otherwise, they point their canons at you.

If the Chinesse were to dump us and go to brazil or elsewhere i could understand it, when we extend one hand in friendship whilethe other hand is on the gun holster.

 

China has not stopped developing, and an emerging India coming forth and then South America will spring forth. If Australia is being shown as nothing more than a US puppet, then these countries will just treat us as such - take advantage of everything we have, and that’s exactly what they are doing now by buying up Australian natural resource companies, infrastructure and prime agricultural land.

Its ok for most of these parasite politicians making inappropriate decisions of the populace, because at the end of their careers, most take flight and live overseas anyway leaving the mums and dads in Australia to deal with their prior incompetent errors and mistakes.

 

Let me first start by saying I am not a fan of anyones troops being on our soil. Having said that the Americans have had military bases and troops stationed here in Australia since the end of WW2. This is purely an increase.

Wherever you have large conglomerations of US troops the crime rate invariably increases. Okinawa for example.

People say it is for the China situation, I am not sure that I buy that. The US and China will never go to war with each other, both are far too important economically to each other, and contrary to popular belief they have a relatively strong relationship. Remember it was the US that liberated China during ww2. A debt China will never forget. The same goes for us, without the US we may all be paying for food in Japanese Yen. Australia is a great vantage point to keep an eye on the Asian coninent. Safely away in the southern hemisphere, friendly, and only a short boat ride or flight to many hotspots in the asian region. The base near Darwin is purely a training and staging base. Every year the US brings troops to the top end for war games. It is no big deal really.

Please remember that when you vote you elect that party to do a job for you. If they dont do that job or you are not satisfied with the job you simply vote them out. Until then you must let them make decisions like this. As this is what we employ them to do. Going to a referendum evertime a big decision is warranted would not only cost big dollars, but also take too much time. I remember the last referendum cost in excess of fifty million dollars. Now just in the last two terms of government we have had at least two dozen important decisions to make. Too much money folks. Very democratic but too much money. Imagine if we had to have a referendum during the GFC. We needed money out there in a matter of weeks. If we held a referendum, giving such a decision to the people, would we have spent the money ? Now if the answer was no, where would we be ?

 

Oh look, someone who (*)(*)(*)(*)s out nonsense and claims it's roses.

Instead of just making (*)(*)(*)(*) up, or looking on conspriacy blogs, maybe you should look at facts? You know, like how we beat the crap out of almost everyone on the planet in educational scores? Yeah, that's real easy to do when, according to you, everyone else is a retard.

 

The US has not had a base in Australia since WW2.

Bringing troops here for training and war games is not a base.

 

This post is a perfect example WHY Australia is 21 places below the Swiss on international IQ testing and why the people are so progressive, and Australians are so backward and retarded.

Ever think about pointing that tank up your bum and blowing some shyte from the tiny amount of brains you have?

 

Sorry, I have facts on my side.

You have taking a mental dump on yours.

Guess which one wins?

 

Interesting read, the USA also want the Cocas Islands.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opi...issues-20120328-1vym3.html?rand=1332937991646

 

Okie dokie

 

I wasn't aware being an equal ally is a puppet.

What do you people want to cut off all diplomatic/economic ties with America or something? You think China is going to cut you a better deal than the USA?

The choice is really quite clear.. US ally, or Chinese Puppet.

 

Australia has troops in the US too.

 

What, you're invading?! We'll just keep asking you if Fosters is really Australian for beer. Hear you guys don't even drink the stuff. Also please kick a kangaroo for me. Not sure if I'll ever make it to Australia to do it myself but I'd like to say I did, even if it's done vicariously.

EDIT: Felt like adding I personally wouldn't care about foreign soldiers training here, especially allied nations. I remember doing some training in the US Army and seeing foreign officers observe us. It didn't bother me and if anything I'd have liked the opportunity to grab a beer with them.

 

Well as I understand it, a high level Australian official was quoted as saying recently "We here in Australia don't beleive that America can qualify as a First World nation anymore."

LMAO

Like we're some eastern european backwater.

 

I wish, Eastern Euro chicks are pretty cute. American girls on the other hand are cute, well other than the fat ones (so knock off about 50%), and are by and large way too into money.

 

The Americans are hunting for Bigfoot. We won't bother the people of Australia as long as they don't look like Bigfoot. Now that Julia Gillard or whatever her name is looks kind of like Bigfoot. Perhaps that's why the Americans were invited.

 

Not sure about "bigfoot" but Gillard is queen of the troll people, and if we shaved her head, she would look very similar to that kid playing the banjo in the movie deliverance.

 

Cute on the outside, on the inside many can be the most wicked and twisted master manipulators of men that I have ever met. Which is why when they have an easter euro accent I move my wallet from my rear pocket to my inside jacket pocket.

True, which is why whenever I hear an American accent I take my wallet out of my rear pocket and put it in my inside jacket pocket.