More than 20 people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine died in Norway

Missed your question, which is already explained.

Taking the death rate of 85 and up year old seniors we see a figure for deaths of that age bracket.

Just exactly how many the 90 yo people in nursing home residents expect to NOT due in a group of 25,000? 30+ people per week are going to die!

These ridiculous attempts to make terrify very old and frail people!

Not to mention these were nursing home residence. The hail and hearty marathon runners over 85 (and there are some of those) are more likely in their own houses and apartments, not in nursing homes.

 

Where are you getting this figure?

 

Are you saying that it's just like the flu?

Dammit where is your heart?

These are fathers, mothers, aunts, uncles, possibly people of color, and I have to read this crap?

 

I think fiddlerdave is just saying that older people tend to die a fair amount, which is certainly true, but not the point here- the articles themselves are a bit vague as to why they mentioned 20 people specifically, but my guess is that all 20 are suspected to have died because of complications with the vaccines, with 13 being probable.

 

Hank Aaron died within a couple of weeks of receiving the vaccine.

Did the vaccine *cause* his death? What about any old person dying shortly after? Age alone shouldn't be cause for dismissing the death as "they would have died anyway". Just how frail are the people they are giving the vaccine to? Possibly there is enough risk in some people to push them over the edge due to extreme frailty.

I have to wonder about the Hank Aaron case, though. He didn't seem to fit in the extremely frail category, though he was in his 80's.

Just 2 1/2 weeks before his death Friday at age 86, Aaron joined civil rights icons to receive the COVID-19 vaccine. He wanted to spread the the word to the Black community that the shots were safe in the midst of a devastating pandemic.

“I feel quite proud of myself for doing something like this,” Aaron said. “It’s just a small thing that can help zillions of people in this country.”

The Atlanta Braves, Aaron’s longtime team, said he died peacefully in his sleep. No cause was given.

https://www.wlox.com/2021/01/22/reports-baseball-legend-hank-aaron-dies/

 

Found an interesting article regarding his case over at Robert F Kennedy Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website:
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On learning of Aaron’s death, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., chairman and chief legal counsel for Children’s Health Defense, said: “Aaron’s tragic death is part of a wave of suspicious deaths among elderly closely following administration of COVID vaccines.”

“Studies show that self-interested pharmaceutical company researchers, physicians, nursing homes and health officials seldom report vaccine injuries. Instead, they dismiss injuries and deaths as ‘unrelated’ to vaccination,” Kennedy said. “Public health advocates worry that the vast majority of injuries and deaths will go unreported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), the notoriously broken voluntary surveillance system run by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).”

A 2001 HHS study concluded that “fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries” are reported to VAERS.
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Source: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/hank-aaron-dies-days-after-receiving-moderna-vaccine/

 

What's ironic is that Aaron was part of an event designed to convince the black community that the vaccine was safe.

ATLANTA (AP) — Baseball Hall of Famer Hank Aaron, former U.N. Ambassador and civil rights leader Andrew Young and former U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Louis Sullivan got vaccinated against COVID-19 in Georgia on Tuesday, hoping to send a message to Black Americans that the shots are safe.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.us...leaders-get-vaccinated-in-georgia?context=amp

Lots of links about the vaccination event and lots of links about Aaron's death. In reporting about his death, several are making mention of his recent vaccination, but are saying his cause of death is undetermined. That's being responsible and factual, I suppose, but no doubt his death hasn't instilled confidence in the vaccine, as he had hoped.

 

I suspect that in the coming weeks and months in the mainstream media, "death by coincidence" will become a popular theme.

 

I think if the evidence suggested that his death was unrelated to the vaccine, the mainstream media would have mentioned it. They are generally quite supportive of vaccines and would probably be all too happy to mention such evidence. For the same reason, I think the fact that they haven't mentioned such evidence suggests that the vaccine did in fact play a part in his death.

 

No

As others have pointed out the operative word is MAY. All deaths that happen within a short time frame of vaccine administration are investigate regardless of what caused the death.

 

At the moment no one knows for sure

 

Your pee would sting like razor blades as well! Ouch!

 

How are you so sure? Perhaps some -do- know, but are withholding that information. I still haven't heard an update from the brazilian volunteer that died back in October after taking the astraneca trial vaccine:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/21/health/covid-19-vaccine-trial-brazil-astrazeneca-death-bn/index.html

Why do you suppose that is? Do you -really- believe it takes over 3 months to do an investigation? Reminds me of something I just read, about how animal trials are an inneficient use of time, how it would be better to just test on human tissue. The thing about animal trials though, is that if companies use those, they have some real benefits- if the trials kill or seriously harm the animals, they can say that they're animals, not humans, and the product can still be salvaged. If, on the other hand, animals seem to do ok with them, they can use it as evidence that the product is safe. A win win for the pharmaceutical companies and if some animals are hurt or killed in the process, just the cost of doing business.

 

Yeah, may. Just like russian roulette- you put a bullet in the chamber, spin the wheel and you -may- die. Then again, you may not. Some people like playing these types of games, not for me though. As to the investigations, some of them seem to take an awful long time as I just mentioned in comment #38. Why do you suppose that is?

 

And you probably will not

risk/benefit

Get back to me when you have a definitive provable causal link

 

I agree you probably won't die. I think the odds of getting injured are much greater though. I also haven't seen any strong evidence that these vaccines actually help and I've seen evidence suggesting that they actually make Covid 19 symptoms worse. So yeah, seems like these vaccines are pretty bad.

 

It's not that simple. An adverse reaction isn't a raging case of Covid. My wife has had both shots now and no reaction after the first one. She took the second one three days ago and yesterday she was tired and had body aches. No fever, diarrhea, or nausea. That's a reaction and it isn't much different from a reaction to a flu shot.

 

Could be that they are just old people on the way out in winter as happens. Don't know. A concerning cluster but not really proof of anything yet,

 

What I find astonishing is that if you read the details, it strongly suggests that at least 13 deaths were caused by vaccine reactions, and yet one could miss it if one were to just focus on the headlines. From the second article in the OP, bolding the part firmly connecting the adverse reactions to actual deaths:
"So far, the Norwegian Medicines Agency has assessed 29 adverse reaction reports after the covid-19 vaccination. 13 of these had a fatal outcome, shows a new report from the Norwegian Medicines Agency."