more 'tolerant' feminists

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  1. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    On face value yeah :) but considering what a lot of these feminists probably look like, I'm not so sure I'd want their breasts in my face. Half of them could probably be easily mistaken for Sumo wrestlers
     
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    Men who've learned how to act confident and assertive don't have to worry about bossy women getting the better of them - submissive, needy behavior attracts 'bossy behavior'

    For every truly manipulative and shrewish woman, there's a guy out there who's overly submissive and 'people-pleasing' - and I've noticed that guys who blame "the whole of womanhood" for their own woman troubles, or lament that "some guy somewhere who's murder gets laid more than me" - are usually behaving too submissively in relationships themselves, which is why they're attracting those types of women to begin with.

    Guys who really want to improve their skills with women take the time to learn the areas in which they need to self-improve, and try try again until they get it right - instead of just deciding that "women only go for guys who are jerks - I can't get laid because I'm too nice!!!" and resigning themselves to that fate.
     
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    Strong in character and self-confidence.

    Ex. If a guy is sitting around blaming women for all of his past relationship struggles - rather than seeking continuous self-improvement, that's an area in which he's lacking.
     
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    So why must he always self improve himself? Isn't there a time when there's just so much self improvement before it stagnates and stops?

    Why must a man change himself to make other people happy?

    why must he do so if the other people give him absolutely nothing but grief in return and nothing he does is ever good enough for them?

    What if he likes himself where he is but he is actually just around a bunch of craptastic selfish pos who demand he give up everything and again return nothing?

    And what exactly is being strong in character and self confidence?
     
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    Self-improvement is a life-time journey.

    Because it's not "to make other people happy", it's for himself. If a man's doing something to "make other people happy" he's doing for the wrong reason - that's being a "people pleaser/beta male".

    For example, people who eat healthy feel much better about themselves each day than people who eat nothing but junk food. People who live confidently on a daily basis and do it to feel good about themselves naturally eschew confidence. People who "do nice things" just to please others are doing it for the wrong reason - and this means their confidence is dependent on others rather than themselves.

    See above, because he's not doing it "to get something out of it" - he's doing it for his own sake, regardless of results.
    I'm not sure - what if a guy's overweight but instead of making a plan to start exercising and eating better, he decides he just "likes himself where he is" and blames people who are "bigoted against obesity" for everything that's wrong in his life? Or what if he works a dead-end min wage job - but instead of deciding to improve his skills or education, he just sits around blaming "those evil rich people and corporations"?

    He can just say "(*)(*)(*)(*) it" if that makes him feel more validated - but if he really wants to be more fulfilled he'll continue to find ways to better his situation rather than blaming evrything else for his lot in life.

    Essentially it's having high standards in each area in life - and doing it for yourself, not because you "want to get something from others". Self-confidence attracts self-confident people; needy, people-pleasing behavior attracts exploitative people.
     
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    What's fine for you is not fine for others.

    Self improvement is a joke anyway.
     
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    Self-improvement in a general sense is something universally applicable, and doesn't require sacrificing anything "unique" about their personality - not everyone's the same but each person has their own areas that they could improve - ex. person A may not eat healthy enough, person B might need to manage their money better, etc. For example if a guy doesn't exercise enough, or he spends too much money each weekend at the bar - how would improving these areas a little be "sacrificing" anything unique about his personality?

    If your idea of "self-improvement" means a guy "can't have any nerdy interests like video games, or Star Trek", etc then that's not true. But if a guy spends 5 hours a day playing video games and doesn't do much of anything else, pursuing a wider variety of interests would help. But a man who lives confident on a daily basis and happens to like Star Trek is way more attractive to a woman than a broke unemployed loser who lives with his mom and watches MMA 5 hours a day.

    Or they can just sit and blame others. But it goes both way. If a woman for example is 200lbs overweight then most guys aren't going to find her very attractive - so she could either start eating and exercising better, or become a man-hating feminist and blame "those evil men" instead.

    If you have that attitude then you're sealing your own fate But tell that to all the people that it's helped. What if Warren Buffet had decided that the investing he did as a kid was "pointless" and decided to just blow all his allowance money on candy and ice cream? What all those people on "The Biggest Loser" had decided that they were content just being the way they are and that it was pointless?
     
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    This is a generalization. These people were in areas where their self improvement could count for nothing. These things don't work for everybody.

    For example, if a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound if there is nobody to hear it?

    Some people are more driven and optimistic than others, and sometimes luck plays a role too in some cases.

    Just because something helps one or two people doesn't mean that it helps all. To say it does is a generalization.
     
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    Defeatist attitudes lead to failure and less-than-contentment in life. There's no reason why people can't strive to self-improve other than their individual will. If their atttitute is "I just don't have the drive" then they're setting themselves up for failure.
     

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