Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats

Not really. Obama was a die-hard Democrat who didn't give a **** what Republicans wanted and his base loved him for it. He enjoys a high level of approval even today.

 

What did he do that makes you think he "sold out"?

 

Why is he working with Democrats? Is he going to not deport illegals like he said? Is he not going to build a wall like he said?

 

Shouldn't he try to work with them?

Right now they can make the claim that he isn't trying. By actually extending himself to them, it makes their lies to the country more transparent.

I think ICE's actions speak for themselves, and as far as I know the border project is continuing.

Besides, the DACA decision isn't even his to make.

 

No, he shouldn't try to work with them, because the people he is working with have no intention of "working" with him. They want to get what they want, and because of spineless Republican leadership, that's usually what they get. He needs to get what he wants and play hardball. He needs to advance his base's interests. That's why he was elected. Negotiating with Democrats is a suicidal idea.

 

Of course they have no intention of working with him.

What's the best way for him to expose that?

You might note that all of the claims that Trump is doing what they want are coming from the Democrats. Do you think they're telling the truth?

 

Obama was hardly a Democrat's dream. His supporters wanted single payer, and didn't even come close to getting it. His supporters wanted us out of both wars, and that didn't happen. His supporters wanted amnesty for illegals, and that didn't happen. His supporters wanted higher taxes for corporations, and that didn't happen.

Yet, as you pointed out, they still approved of him. So actually that proves my point that most voters on both sides aren't hardline partisans.

 

What Obama wanted to do and what he was stopped from doing are two separate things. Obama was able to achieve as hard left of an agenda as possible with having opposition to deal with. He wasn't praised for working with Republicans, he was celebrated for "going it alone" with Executive orders when it became clear the other side was not going to play ball. He passed Obamacare without a single Republican vote. If people truly wanted the "two parties to work together", Obama was not the guy.

 

The People have no power or voice, so if the plutocracy's will be done via bipartisanship, so be it.

 

Who "stopped" Obama from doing what he wanted? Those spineless Republicans I keep reading about?

Of course he passed the ACA without a single Republican vote. The GOP didn't want the ACA. I'm not sure what exactly they did want, but it wasn't the ACA.

 

I see, so it's OK for Obama to do what he wants even if not a single member of the other party wants to work with him, but Trump can't do the same thing because the people want both parties to work together?

 

Can you answer the question and not go off on some tangent that I never said.

I asked you who stopped Obama from advancing his liberal agenda?

I didn't say anything about Trump in that post. Focus. We were talking about Obama.

 

I am staying focused. You said "most voters want the two parties to work together", yet Obama did what he wanted even if not a single member of the other party wanted to work with him, and Obama was celebrated for this. It's almost like reality is exactly the opposite of what you say it is.

 

Obama didn't get most of what his supporters wanted through, as I've posted repeatedly. And yet they still approve of him. So in other words, they were fine with him capitulating to the "spineless" Republicans.

Or do you think most voters are like you, and want the President to play dictator and just enact every goodie he wants, without any checks and balances, or without any compromise? Because you'd be wrong.

How many Americans do you think enjoy gridlock in DC and the spectacle of nothing getting accomplished, worked on, voted on, debated and passed?

 

He didn't capitulate to them, he simply was smart enough to realize that he couldn't enact his entire agenda because he didn't have the political power to do this. He never really "worked with" the other party in the way you're describing.

Obama's voters loved it when Obama went around Congress and passed through his agenda without a vote. Another President should get a chance to pass his agenda in a similar way. Or do you only like it when Democrats get to do that?

 

So in other words, the "spineless Republicans" stopped Obama from advancing his liberal agenda, and the Obama supporters still approved of it. In other words, they apparently wanted him to govern from the middle.

Why do you go off on hyperbolic tangents. I never said I wanted the Democrats to pass anything, and I absolutely never said I wanted them to pass anything without a single Republican vote. Do you not know how to read, or do you just simply not understand what you read?

If you want President Trump to try to pass his agenda, then encourage him to try. He can't do a thing without Congress, so he better stop insulting the majority party of both Houses at every turn. He needs them. Of course, since we all know he's actually a Democrat who "loves" the Dreamers, he'll probably be very happy with whatever Pelosi and Schumer tell him he's going to do.

 

No, they approved of Obama, who was trying to pass as liberal of an agenda as possible. They don't hold it against him that he had to deal with "obstructionist Republicans". They aren't celebrating Obama because he went to the Republicans and worked out compromise deals in the way you are describing.

I'm saying you are wrong when you said most voters want both parties to work together. Democrats loved Obama for not working with the other party.

I think the problem is that many of the Republicans are actually squishy "social moderates" who would rather defend Democrats than go along with Trump. You know the type, right?

 

So you would prefer for nothing to get done. Like it was under Obama.

 

Once again, Obama didn't get the liberal agenda through. He worked with the other party, and in fact, for the longest time was simply George W. Bush's third term. And the voters still approved of him.

Good luck with Trump getting your white nationalist agenda passed. I'm sure those spineless Republicans will be lining up to help. Or not.

Yeah, we squishy social moderates are bad people. We should be sitting here wondering what everyone else is doing in the privacy of their bedrooms, raiding houses hoping to find acts of sodomy, and locking our daughters in their rooms until our men have decided who they are allowed to marry. Sounds like Utopia. Or Muslim nations....

 

Show me a left-wing source where he was celebrated as "George W. Bush's third term".

Right, because they're spineless. They'd rather have the country flooded with the 3rd world which will keep any Republican from ever winning again unless they tow the liberal line.

What's wrong with Muslim nations? Lots of "social moderates", who viewed all of the Jewish-led social revolutions of the 1960's as positives, are very supportive of more Muslims bringing their culture to the West.

 

The source was me. You didn't realize that I posted that in that post you quoted? I said Obama was Bush's third term for the longest time. He was.

Nothing is wrong with Muslim nations. I forget sometimes that you're a Muslim.

 

Obama was the most partisan President in memory,and did not work with the other party.

His voters approved of him because he was able to place the blame on the Republicans.

Hopefully Trump can stop the movement of the needle to the left by compromising on some things to get more needed things accomplished.

 

LOL, shes about as sharp as a bowling ball. What an embarrassment shes become. Do you think shell keep serving until she drops dead?

 

DACA is a small portion of the overall immigraton picture.

I think he will make some concessions here to get better results with immigration generally.

But time will tell.

 

She's an embarrassment indeed.

What kind of message did dems send their kids with this "rolemodel"?