MSNBC medical contributor tells Americans to start wearing masks again after uptick in COVID hospita

Surgical masks do not protect from or prevent transmission of Covid containing aerosol particles. That’s very clear.

 

They didn’t analyze all of the papers.

 

Unanswered:

1. YOU explain what it means. We both know YOU don't understand it at all. You didn't even supply the damn paper!
2. You are ignoring 95% of posts because they are inconvenient.
3. Are you really afraid to be wrong? You seem afraid to answer simple questions and basic requests.
4. After you have explained those stats, see if you can work out a) where they were for the study and b) why these types of people don't tend to go out.
5. What world of batshit gain is there to enforce mask-wearing if it isn't needed!

Unanswered:
Option 1:
A quite enormous number of people are involved in fabricating data to create the illusion that wearing a mask can offer some protection against catching covid-19. They want to force you to wear masks(by advising it) when in public and this for some bafflingly unknown reason that offers them zero benefit. This astonishing deception is ONLY apparent to conspiracy theorists.

Option 2:
They are all telling the truth and masks offer some protection. They genuinely want to limit the spread. All experts in the field, the vastest of vast consensus say the conspiracy theorists are talking horseshit.

Now I ask anyone with a semblance of critical thinking and logic, which one seems to be the more realistic?

Unanswered:
Now some follow ups that, almost certainly you will evade:
1. Are you seriously suggesting that every one of the particles that penetrate a surgical mask carries the Sars-2 virus!?
2. Are you seriously suggesting that your "research" is conclusive and accurate?

Oh, and I "felt free" to do some simple research:
Surgical face masks provide protection against aerosols, but face shields do not (medicalxpress.com)
"The first experiment measured the filtration efficacy of the mask material. Each mask was fixed to an air-collecting tube inside an airtight tank. An aerosol of the chemical di-ethyl-hexyl-sebacat (DEHS) was pumped into the tank and the aerosol particles in the collecting tube counted by a particle counter.

The average filtration efficacy was lowest for the cloth masks (28%), followed by the non-certified surgical masks (63%) and the certified surgical masks (70%). The KN95 respirator material filtered out 94% of particles and the FFP2 mask material, 98%."

Expiratory aerosol particle escape from surgical masks due to imperfect sealing - PMC (nih.gov)
"The overall mask efficiency, accounting both for air that passes through the mask and for leakage flows, is reduced compared to the through-mask filtration efficiency, from 93 to 70% for talking, but from only 94–90% for coughing. These results demonstrate that leakage flows due to imperfect sealing do decrease mask efficiencies for reducing emission of expiratory particles, but even with such leakage surgical masks provide substantial control."

N95 respirator and surgical mask effectiveness against respiratory viral illnesses in the healthcare setting: A systematic review and meta‐analysis - PMC (nih.gov)
"N95 respirator use was associated with fewer viral infectious episodes for healthcare workers compared with surgical masks. The N95 respirator was most effective in reducing the risk of a viral infection in the hospital setting from the SARS‐CoV 1 and 2 viruses compared to the other viruses included in this investigation. Methodologic quality, risk of biases, and small number of original studies indicate the necessity for further research to be performed, especially in front‐line healthcare delivery settings."

Now show your sources for your data, as is customary!

Unanswered:
Your claims do not support the data and answering that question will show this. That is why you cannot answer it.

1. Supply the "real world" data! HERE! Prove my source was discredited (nb. batshit sources do not suffice).
2. Are you claiming that a massive worldwide surge of existing preconditions suddenly occurred and that the covid-19 virus was not the cause? YES OR NO!

Where "up thread"!? It's ridiculous that you think anyone is buying that "up thread" schtick, when a simple yes or no actually answers the question!

 

Nope. It's clear that you have avoided pretty much everything posted and come up with some truly bizarre evasion.

The largest consensus imaginable of experts in the field of virology say you are talking crap. Masks are effective in limiting transmission!

Yes they did. Cite a paper they didn't discredit!

 

Is this all you've got? This is a pathetic inaccurate strawman. N95 masks have effectiveness in the high 90%

Yes there is. Every single study that suggests they aren't effective has been shown to be flawed. Do you think they wear them during surgery for fun?

Why are you so afraid to answer posts properly:

Yes they do.

What world of batshit gain is there, to enforce mask-wearing if it isn't needed!?

 

When are you going to supply the "real world " data?
When are you going to give the one word answer to this: Are you claiming that a massive worldwide surge of existing preconditions suddenly occurred and that the covid-19 virus was not the cause? YES OR NO!

 

Why do you think there was a massive worldwide surge of existing preconditions? That doesn’t make sense.

I have posted the percentage of those with one or more CDC preconditions who died with Covid and the percentage of people who died from covid and provided the source which is the CDC.

 

Sorry but what you have done is posted distorted information. People took their data and lied about it and distorted it. You are basically parroting the distortions of an army of idiots.

Watch this video which explains the numbers.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=4326710077404117

 

Facebook. No thanks.

 

Why because it’s a real doctor giving the facts?

 

The CDC said in 2020 that 6 percent had only covid listed on their death certificates. The other 94% had other co-morbid conditions were listed as well. I guess all the TikTok scholars were just too damned stupid to understand that just because co-morbid conditions were listed as well, doesn’t mean that the 94% didn’t die due to being infected with covid.

When a death certificate is filled out the condition that began the chain of events that led to the person’s death is considered the underlying cause of death. It’s quite simple. If a person is in the ICU with symptoms caused by Covid infection and these symptoms killed them, the cause of death was Covid and having other co-morbid conditions put them at a higher risk of severe symptoms.

It’s simple, the 94% had Covid and co-morbid conditions listed on the death certificate and Covid infection led to and caused their deaths. To state otherwise is ridiculous.

To say otherwise is misinformation and why anybody would choose to ignore real medical facts is beyond me.

 

~ For those without time to read :

https://www.youtube.com/live/yBoRFFMoHkY?si=uIJ2L-LQxY1px3JO

 

Apparently there are a lot of people who are reading averse.

 

Why is it that every single covid-19 conspiracy theorist seems incapable of reading posts like this. It's not some big deal. It's the simple explanation for a diagnostic method.
Do you think they are afraid to be wrong and put the conspiracy blinkers on?

 

There is no conspiracy. There is a responsibility to communicate to the general public who is at risk. Covid is a mild virus which infects the lungs. Healthy individuals under the age of 70 with none of the CDC listed preconditions (which make up these comorbidities) are at extremely low risk of serious effects of Covid. Individuals with the preconditions especially those over the age of 70 are at high risk. There was no good reason to lockdown the economy. There was and still is very good reasons to protect those at high risk and for public health officials to effectively communicate using all possible media outlets to make sure that those at high risk are aware of their susceptibility to serious complications from Covid. The 94% who died with these preconditions would not have died if they were healthy.

This year which is 3 years after the start of the pandemic is the only time that I can recall that television ads were broadcast using celebrities to highlight each of the more common preconditions. Why wasn't this done in March of 2020?

The public health officials in Sweden are the only one's who took the time to understand the virus and the data. The did not shutdown their economy, primary schools, or require ineffective masks to be worn.

 

.....will have time to watch a 1hr 12 minute video with absolutely no descriptive commentary? What is that, a joke?

Since there is a whole batshit-rainbow of Covid-19 conspiracies, ranging from complete denial of all viruses, denial of just sars2, denial of its ferocity, exaggeration of its ferocity (ie. kill off the gen pop) and then going up the other side to the vaccines and all sorts of hogwash about death and side-effects....here is Dr. Drew, the star of James' video: Dr. Drew Pinsky coronavirus: Pinsky, who apologized for downplaying the virus, says he has Covid-19 | CNN
"He shared the news on his Instagram but says he’s on the mend. “Thanks for checking in on me, I appreciate all the kind shout-outs,” he said in a video. “Covid is no fun. I don’t recommend it.” Previously, the doctor had called the pandemic “press-induced” but later apologized.""

And for the anti-mask brigade:
Dr. Drew Pinsky tests positive for coronavirus, says it's 'no fun' (usatoday.com)
"In an Instagram post Tuesday, Pinsky, 62, known as "Dr. Drew," is seen in bed holding up a bottle of an electrolyte drink while his wife wears a face mask nearby. The caption noted his wife tested negative."

You cannot make this crap up, well you can if you are a conspiracy theorist



Way to go Mrs. Pinsky - tested negative, keep wearing the mask! What do you think @James California ?

 

An incredibly ignorant post. Seven million have died of this "mild virus"!
WHO Coronavirus (COVID-19) Dashboard | WHO Coronavirus (COVID-19) Dashboard With Vaccination Data
Globally, as of 6:59pm CET, 6 December 2023, there have been 772,138,818 confirmed cases of COVID-19, including 6,985,964 deaths, reported to WHO.

 

94% of those should have been prevented by protecting those with the CDC preconditions.

 

Why if it was a "mild virus"!?

 

I have explained that …. again.

 

None of this has been answered.

There is no workable explanation. If it's mild, no protection is needed. It isn't mild though, again that is an incredibly ignorant claim to make.

Once more we get these pathetic games where a statement is made and the "explanation" has been made somewhere else.

 

I explained it succinctly upthread.

 

Link to this "succinct" explanation. You see, when you evade a yes or no answer, that is clearly a deliberate thing and everyone can see this.

1. Supply the "real world" data! HERE! Prove my source was discredited (nb. batshit sources do not suffice).
2. Are you claiming that a massive worldwide surge of existing preconditions suddenly occurred and that the covid-19 virus was not the cause? YES OR NO!

Where "up thread"!? It's ridiculous that you think anyone is buying that "up thread" schtick, when a simple yes or no actually answers the question!

 

I have provided the data and source.

 

Where? Stop playing games, are you afraid I will tear it to pieces like all your other nonsense?

Literally a single word answer is required here and he STILL avoids it! It's "upthread" somewhere!
Are you claiming that a massive worldwide surge of existing preconditions suddenly occurred and that the covid-19 virus was not the cause? YES OR NO!