Muhammad Ali. Real American hero. What do you think?

He said that no Viet Cong had ever called him (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*).............

Shame you don't know much about Islam.

Ali also brought 15 hostages home from Iraq.

 

Some people called him a traitor. What do you think of people who think that?

 

These people, I can easily discount. The Vietnam war was treason, by the highest levels of our government.

 

The war itself was treason?

Fascinating. What do you think of the prior efforts at Political subversion in other places like the Philippines and Indonesia?

 

I consider sending over fifty thousand Americans to their death in a conflict that the US had no business being in, treason. Not to mention the death, and destruction brought on the people Vietnam.

As far, as the Philippines goes, American involvement was for the sake of colonialism.

 

The traitors are those who started the war in the first place, and those who forced others to go fight in it.

 

Do you include treason to all the anti communist subversion efforts or just Vietnam?

 

You should research the domino theory and it worked.

The Soviets were stopped in their expansionism. We may have technically lost the battle but we won the war against the Soviets. If everyone acted like Ali it may very well have resulted in nuclear war.

 

How do YOU know?

 

Meh, are you talking El Salvador, and what not?

 

Yes. Indeed.

 

If we're, talking Iran-Contra. The law was broke, and I think Reagan could have been possibly impeached.
His plausible deniability was pretty pathetic.

 

Being willing to get your brains scrambled for money does not make you a hero in my book. The idea of boxing is to beat your opponent senseless which in itself senseless. People get hurt in other sports sure, but it is not intentional. In fact in other sports if you intentionally hurt someone you are thrown out of the game.

 

A smart and uppity black guy who changes his name, converts to Islam and becomes worldwide famous, beloved and rich for beating up - among others - white guys. The American (certainly not the PoFo's) dream! What's not to love?

 

This nation must be flooded with heros then if that is all it takes to be a hero,.

What danger was Ali in during his life?

 

I enjoy reading how Reagan broke the law, and the good part is how Hillary is defended for breaking law as is Obama. Obama rather constantly is in court over his law breaking.

Reagan understood the Boland Amendment. Clearly the above poster simply has never read a very good book that dives deeply into all that Reagan did, using actual witnesses to all events of his time.

Get this book and study it closely.

 

Funny how it has become de rigueur to include in any mention of American military personnel the words "brave" and "hero" when the vast majority never ever see combat and are - according to the orthodox conservative position here - in less danger than the average black person in Chicago.

Ronald Reagan is a "hero" (as well as a beatified saint) to every "conservative" I know. Remind us again of all the mortal dangers and harrowing life threatening situations he had in the heroic service of his country.

 

I see Reagan as this nations best all time president, but am not up to speed why he would be called a hero?

This is supposed to show how Ali the boxer morphed into a hero??? Yes or no?

We have thousands of heros if boxing makes a person a hero.

 

Ali was a hero to every one of us black kids (and pretty much every adult) growing up in the 60's and 70's.

You probably can't understand why but many do. In any event, the weight of public and social opinion is against you on this - if the worldwide response of the past 2 days is any indication. I think the term "hero" is overused to the point of meaningless but in as far as I'm concerned Ali fit the bill for me and many others like me.

 

Any poll in this forum about Ali, isn't going to reflect who/what he contributed to the world. (Still, the subsequent dialogue might be entertaining.)

 

Can you imagine, in the land of the free, that people would do something other than what you want them to do? No wonder they need to be called traitors and executed.

 

Most Muslims are peaceful.. and war is forbidden except in the case of defensive war. You might want to learn a little bit about Islam.

 

Cassius Clay was never "in-country" so it's was no way he would have known what Charley would have called him.

If Cassius Clay would have gone along with the program, he would have served 12 months in Germany like most Americans who served in the U.S. Army back then.

I used Cassius Clay because I've met and talked to Cassius Clay twice in my life.

The first time was in Palm Springs in the late 1970's. We talked for about a half an hour. I addressed Muhammed Ali as Mr. Clay. I saw the reaction in his face then he told me "I had a pair and liked that." I don't think he liked me.

The next time I saw Muhammad Ali was around 1990 while I was attending an engineering seminar. While outside of the hotel waiting for a taxi I saw Muhammad with his entourage also waiting for taxis. I was surprised, where were Muhammad's limos ? He needed six taxis.

So I walked over to Mr. Ali and said remember me, Palm Springs during the 70's ? Knowing that Muhammad was suffering from parkinson disease from all of the head beatings he took from boxing he was able to say in ten or seconds "I remember you" as he stuck out his hand to shake.

Then some young kid approached Mohammad and asked for his autograph. This is when tears came to my eyes as it took Muhammad over a half of a minute to sign his signature. All of the beatings he took as a boxer had taken it's toll.

Muhammad Ali wasn't a hero but he was probably one of the top ten boxers in history. But what Muhammad did was he civilized professional boxing. I canceled my subscription to "Ring" magazine during the mid 1970's because of Muhammad Ali.

You see my generation grew up on boxing, wrestling and roller derby along with guns during the 1950's and 60's. If it weren't for those three events being broadcast on television, there wouldn't be any televisions today.

Before political correctness just about every neighborhood in America had a boxing ring and a Golden Gloves program. That's where Muhammad Ali as Cassius Clay got his start. Every high school in America had a wrestling team and many had a boxing team. In California every Jr. College (community college today) and every state college and university had boxing classes. Back in the day. you had to earn so many college units in sports eds.

It was different back when America was great. If there was a bully, you faced him after school. Didn't mattered if you won or got your ass kicked, by just showing up and fistacuffing was all that was needed to be respected.

When Cassius Clay converted to Islam and became Muhammad Ali is when he fell out with most Americans.
Name one war that American Muslims have supported since post WW l ? None. They (American Muslims) Opposed the Banana Wars, WW ll. the Korean War, the Vietnam War and every war since

Look at what fraggings have taken place in Iraq and Afghanistan or Frt. Hood, American Muslims.

Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali is no American hero but he's one of the best boxers to ever to ropeadope in the ring. He civilized boxing.

RIP Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali.

 

LOLOL.. Didn't you get fed up being jerked around by Cold War hysteria? Didn't you catch on?

 

Where were you in October of 1962 ?

I was only 12 years old but I remember the Nike missiles popping out of the ground and we didn't even knew they were there,
If JFK hadn't blinked the world would be different today, still recovering from a nuclear exchange..

The "Cold War" was real.

Ask me what color of panties Susan rotten crtuch was wearing duing the Cold War and I remember during those duck and cover drills during the 1950's and 60's.

And America would live through the Cold War until President Reagan's policies would win the Cold War.

Just saying unless you didn't live during the Cold War, you don't remember when America was great.