Narco Terrorism - The attack on the soul of a nation.

Just about all of our early American authors and no doubt more than a few of our early American politicians were BIG opium users. Books got written and bills got passed. And then there was that 19th Century drug of choice, laudanum, otherwise known as 'liquid opium'. Nobody cared who was using what until politicians thought they could garner a few extra votes by making it an issue. They are still at it. Hell, there were no drug laws on the books until Texans figured out they could make it law and deport Mexicans for using marijuana. Deportation was the objective, not controlling marijuana.

 

Illuminating.

 

It's a fact.

Just like homosexuals come from heterosexuals. Just like cancer can spring up even if it didn't run in your family. Just like you can get bad eye sight even though your parents' eyes are fine.

Drug users are inevitable it is genetics. So instead of killing people, and forcing them into psych wards we should legalize a victimless crime.

Your whole argument is based on that junkies who rob people are the majority of users. That is not the case, they are just the lowest common denominator and garner the most attention.

 

It's not though, so that would be BS.

 

most drug users are functional and you couldn't even tell they're intoxicated.

All your plan would do is get poor homeless off the street and mandate they go to a psych ward. Then after that you get caught using the state executes you.

And this wouldn't even affect the majority of drug users. It's just a back door way to kill the homeless.

 

Sure. We should let them fly planes and everything. Indeed, crack acts like super vitamins.

Why is it I get the feeling I am speaking to some active drug users on here...

 

Don't be so mendacious.

How can it possibly be such a stupid thing, when there would be no such thing as 'homeless'?

And before you say 'But how can that be', let me tell you that as of last year, in my country it is the law that you be offered a home.

A human right, which is what it would and should be.

 

They have random drug test for those jobs.

Why exactly do you think they do them randomly?

 

No country on earth gives everyone a home. That's just an idea in your little utopian world..

 

Wrong. Here it became law as of last year.

Sorry.

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Why bother though?

Since you say...

"most drug users are functional and you couldn't even tell they're intoxicated"

 

scotland and britain have homeless still. That is just a goal yet to be achieved.

they have to be random because you can't just look at someone and tell they do drugs. hence why they have to random.

No one here is saying to not drug test pilots, truck drivers, train operators, big equipment operators, doctors, etc. getting drug tested is a requirement to work at those places.

 

I can only speak for Scotland, as England has different law.

As of last year, it was enshrined into law.

Some people choose to be homeless.

Some people are give a home and cannot seem to manage.

But everyone is entitled to an offer.

Legally.

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But why bother?

After all, you claimed...

"most drug users are functional and you couldn't even tell they're intoxicated"

 

So you still want to get rid of the homeless. you're only clearing your convoys by saying you offered them a home. Like Caesar washed his hands of jesus's death.

 

Correct Tom,

We are murdering the homeless by housing them.

Evil plan.

 

Could this thread get back on topic, which was the War on Drugs rather than homelessness.

 

Illicit drugs and their use represent a blight and scourge upon society in many ways:

◦Ruins many lives through loss of function, productivity and can be the cause of mental illness in users.

Whilst we need to deal with those affected by illicit drugs; nevertheless, drugs represent a drain on society as such significant monies could be spent on other areas of society.

The cost of illicit drug use extend beyond users, to family members, friends and the wider society. Drug dealing, robbery and prostitution are used to fund drug dependencies. Significant resources of our medical services, law enforcement agencies, the courts and jails as consumed in tackling the problems of illicit drug use. Approximately 10 per cent of prison population is made up of drug offenders.

‘Illicit drug use is a catalyst for untold harm in our communities. The negative impacts are both economic and social. The impact on the quality of life of illicit drug users doesn’t happen in isolation. Families—the very foundation of our society are damaged, and very often destroyed.’

by John Lawler APM
Chief Executive Officer
Australian Crime Commission


The scrouge of drugs in our society bears a double edged sword: not only does it have a negative impact upon individuals and the wider society; the proceeds of drugs support criminal population, terrorist groups and rouge states. Which also seek to undermine our society.

In many ways, drugs represent the ideal weapon of mass destruction; as well as supporting the existence of those outside our society, who are intent on creating us harm to us all, drugs also create harm to our society from within. Hence, every effort should be undertaken to eradicate or minimise the prevalence of drugs in our society.


http://www.goodgovernment.org.au/drugs-destroy-society/

 

In many ways, criminalisation represents the ideal weapon of mass destruction; as well as showcasing the production & supply of drugs as being in the hands of those outside our society, who are intent on maximising profit and going to any lengths to do so, criminalisation also allow us to abandon any notion of regulation, reduces opportunities for meaningful debate and skews the balance between drug misuse being the reason for and drug misuse being the indicator of problems in our social development.

A link to the Australian Crime Commission website http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/organised-crime suggests the drug trade makes up 50% of Australia's organised criminal activity. Criminal activity I support when I buy drugs. And yet, taking my drugs at home with friends and having an enjoyable night and then going about my normal daily activities the following day, the only criminality I feel I am engaged in is caused solely by the administrative criminalisation of the product.

If you want to compare social costs I think this 2004/05 Australian study brings up some interesting points: http://www.health.gov.au/internet/drugstrategy/publishing.nsf/Content/34F55AF632F67B70CA2573F60005D42B/$File/mono64.pdf
In comparing the costs to society of Alcohol, Tobacco and Illicit Drugs, the only selected tangible drug abuse cost where Illicit Drugs 'costs' more is in crime.
In regards to costs in health, workplace & home productivity and road traffic accidents, Tobacco & Alcohol cost more.
As an initial summary:

Now banning alcohol would probably raise it's criminal cost just as decriminalising illicit drugs would probably raise their health costs.
But in all this criminalisation represents a stance of complete unregulation of a market of consumable products in which the majority of funds go to organised crime and the end users are citizens. Considering there are some illict substances that can be used by many with little or no addictive side effects and no associated criminal activity beyond the tautological scope of purchase and consumption, criminalisation seems to me to be an extremist position taken by a ruling class because they actually have no other solution available to their reality, rather than it being an efficacious or desirable solution in itself.

 

Yep, there is money to be made in human trafficking. Just ask our Israeli friends. Thing is, we're also powerless to do anything about it unless we can get over our fear of offending Netanyahu. Which means we are powerless.

 

I am tired hearing this.

Simply by not meekly accepting it, discussing it, sharing the story with friends, getting them to see how ugly it is .. by that way you inform and shape social attitudes. You basically unmask them.

Ink can make a million think.

 

Agreed; and at the very core of the criminalisation of drugs is a moral judgement somebody made a long time ago. This took root and lodged itself in the collective public psyche, in the same way that the Great Communist Conspiracy (which never actually existed), did. It festered until everyone was absolutely convinced that drugs would bring about the end of the world, despite them being an integral part of many societies for centuries, even millennia.
And yet here we still are...http://swilhite.weebly.com/history-of-psychoactive-drug-use.html

 

Maybe it is easy if one lives in some rural and remote outpost, but perhaps rather than be dismissive and arrogant, one would do well to visit some inner cities, perhaps even open one's eyes, talk to a few people that do volunteer work, ask them about the horror stories of what drugs do to communities.

Just a small observation.

 

Perhaps one should not assume, arrogantly, that one has not.

Just a small observation.

 

Perhaps one should understand that one is not alone in dwelling in rural areas.

Just a tiny observation.

 

Chemical Warfare
Millions of Lives Destroyed by Crystal “Meth”


Use of crystal methamphetamine is widespread—affecting all strata of society, young and old, rich and poor. Newsweek reports: “[Meth] is hooking more and more people across the socioeconomic spectrum: soccer moms in Illinois, computer geeks in Silicon Valley, factory workers in Georgia, gay professionals in New York. The drug is making its way into suburbs from San Francisco to Chicago to Philadelphia” (“America’s Most Dangerous Drug,” Aug. 8, 2005).

Deputy District Attorney Mark McDonnell, head of narcotics in Portland, Oregon, said that Crystal meth “is an epidemic and a crisis unprecedented.” U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales added, “In terms of damage to children and to our society, meth is now the most dangerous drug in America” (Ibid).

This drug is spreading quickly for a number of reasons. First, it is highly addictive; but second, and more dangerously, it is inexpensive and relatively easy to make. It has already earned the nickname “poor man’s cocaine.”

http://realtruth.org/articles/364-cwmoldbcm.html


But let's 'do nothing'.

After all, as one member claimed, 'most people can take these are be entirely functional'. Until (of course), I actually forced him into seeing that the reason people on drugs are banned from working machinery or driving is.... 'it alters their functioning ability'. He went somewhat quiet thereafter.

Or even better. What we should do is take these clear super vitamins above and just sell them.

Make them as free and easy to buy as cigs and drink.

After all, they definitely lead to health problems, so if you are going to screw something up, you cannot be a hateful bigot against these other ways.

 

There's difference between the state drug testing you and an employer. That employer must keep some standard of production, safety, and they PAY you.

What you're alluding to is the state drug testing everyone, which is not right and insane to think the State should be able to drug test it's citizens.