Navy Cruiser Seizes Huge Iranian Arms Cache in Arabian Sea

Terrorism is the use of violence for political ends in a free and democratic society. Iran is a terrorist sponsor of the worst order, bad as Libya was.

 

How so?

 

1) Those who were in power in Iran during the Hostage crisis no longer make up Gov't - so that Gov't doesn't exist.
2) The Israeli Gov't is keeping the Palestinians Hostage - so by your reckoning - that Gov't has no right to exist ?[/QUOTE]

Yeah they do, in fact that generation are now the ones in power. How exactly are the Israelis holding the Palestinians hostage? They can leave any time they want?

 

No, the US tried to kill terrorists and caused civilians casualties as a consequence. Those they imprisoned were Islamic terrorists who got what they deserved.

 

And the suit has got nowhere in the 20 years since 9/11 because it is worthless. The Saudis are not a terrorist nation, individual Saudis sponsor terrorism, their government do not.
What terrorism does Israel take part in, they are a nation state protecting themselves from terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah?

Here is the slogan of the Houthis;
: "God Is Great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam".

Odd, I see no reference to AQ anywhere?

The Saudis sponsored Syrian rebel groups against Assad/Iran, they have kept them alive, otherwise they would have been wiped out entirely.

True that the evil of Iran does not come close to that of Saudi and the US, one is a tyrannical terrorist sponsor, the others aren't.

 

Completely false regarding Israel being an "apartheid state". And I'm curious as to what you think the U.S. Government has done that is a lot worse than taking hostages.[/QUOTE]

Your comments on the apartheid state are laughable "Completely false" as if the "occupied territories" function as a normal state - without outside intervention - you have no clue what you are talking about - as is par for your course.

The US has engaged in plenty of dirty deeds more nasty than taking an Embassy hostage for Political reasons.

Supporting terrorism - funding death squad dictators - training these soldiers in terror tactics. The list is long.

 

Supporting Terrorism - far more than Iran can ever take credit for.

 

Hamas is not Al Qaeda - what on earth are you rambling on about.

You are completely clueless with respect to Saudi Arabia and Syria. There were no moderate rebels of any significance in Syria in the beginning - and within the first year of the war they were "like finding a needle in a haystack". Al Qaeda and ISIS were leading the show and there were a few affiliates of the same radical Islamist ilk - along with foreign fighters (same thing most of who joined ISIS) .

You wanted a reference to Al Qaeda ?

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

 

Your comments on the apartheid state are laughable "Completely false" as if the "occupied territories" function as a normal state - without outside intervention - you have no clue what you are talking about - as is par for your course.

The US has engaged in plenty of dirty deeds more nasty than taking an Embassy hostage for Political reasons.

Supporting terrorism - funding death squad dictators - training these soldiers in terror tactics. The list is long.[/QUOTE]

Prove it with links to unbiased sources then.

And Israel is perfectly within their rights to occupy the West Bank and Gaza Strips as they won them fair and square in a war that they didn't start. And they took them from nations, Jordan and Egypt which have since renounced all claims to that territory.

"Palestine" has never in modern times existed as an identifiable country.

 

Prove it with links to unbiased sources then.

And Israel is perfectly within their rights to occupy the West Bank and Gaza Strips as they won them fair and square in a war that they didn't start. And they took them from nations, Jordan and Egypt which have since renounced all claims to that territory.

"Palestine" has never in modern times existed as an identifiable country.[/QUOTE]

How is Israel within their rights to occupy - but whatever - that doesn't change the fact that it is an apartheid state. Regardless - this is a secondary issue.

Your main absurd claim is that Iran is a bigger terrorist state than the US.

I already gave you a ton of links with respect to Rotten Ronnie and Bush's atrocities in El Salvador Guatemala - supporting those death squad dictatorships - and training their fighters in terror tactics at the "School of the Americas".

This is just a snippet to refresh your memory - in case you didn't remember trying to justify death squads dragging children over barbed wire fences - as their parents watched - with "But they were our bad guys"

You need a link for Saddam using Chemical weapons against Iran ? while we were allied with and supporting Iraq. under Rotten Ronnie ? or does the memory of the self professed historian not go that far back.

How about leading a global coalition to arm Al Qaeda and other Islamist Jihadists groups in Syria - and action which led to the deaths of 500,000, war crimes, crimes against humanity and so on.

This resulted in the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - hopefully Congress (bipartisan) is a good enough source for you.

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists

 

In wars you use what allies you can get. You often don't have the options of angels and saints.

And a source that is related to Tulsi Gabbard in any way is hardly credible given she hates American foreign policy as much as you do.

 

chemical weapons use is simply a part of war.

Seizing an embassy is an act of war in and of itself.

 

The seizure of the US embassy, while not by Iran's government by students whose actions the Iranian government retroactively endorsed or supported, would have given the US grounds to declare and wage war on Iran 40 years ago. If that is your point, I agree.

If you are looking for a pretext to start a war with Iran now, first you are too late. The US has in fact been fighting a war against Iran for the past 40 years. It has been a low level war, involving lies, propaganda, use of proxy forces, terrorism, economic sanctions, diplomatic measures, and much more, including assassinations (before through proxies and now openly).

Second, if you want the war to move from being 'low-level' to one that is declared and of high intensity, you seem to relying on something very dated to justify it. There are things which have happened just in the past couple of months, despite overt and clear warnings that Iran not take such actions, which could have easily justified war with Iran. No need to spin, much less try to avoid a war by saying "all is well" and "little damage", "no one hurt". Stick to your guns and go shooting. What is this insistence about lying? A campaign of lies to fuel hatred and a crusade against Iran, and then lies and spin in order to divert pressure for war when the excuse for war was right in front of you!

All this annoying lies and propaganda against Iran, when there is plenty of examples from the 40 year, low-level, war between Iran and the US for the US to declare an open war against Iran. "600" US troops killed in Iraq as a result of "General Soleimani" activities isn't really true; but "600" US troops killed in Iraq as a result of support by Iran for certain groups in Iraq and policies pursued by Iran might be. How about the Saudis blaming Iran for the attack on the Aramco facilities but not declaring war on Iran? How about Israel complaining for decades that Iran wants to 'wipe Israel off the map" and fueling all sorts of lies and propaganda about Iran, "killing Iranians" (usually not) in places like Syria and elsewhere, but somehow not going to war against Iran. Not even when it was at war against "Iran's proxy" in Lebanon in 2006, with Iran's "top general" basically running the war for Hezbollah, and Iran supplying it with its weapons and such.

I don't understand the purpose of the lies. I honestly don't.

If Iran denying Israel the "right to exist" is grounds for war for either Israel or the US or anyone else, Iran's address is clear. Iran does consider Israel an illegitimate state and most certainly considers its regime (including its ideology) one that should be replaced altogether. It supports that view and those policies by funding anti-Israeli groups all over the region. Put any label you like on it. But first actually decide you want to pay the price for going to war against Iran and don't pretend someone else is holding you back either! How much of everything are you going to blame on "Obama"!!!

 

You have a warped and disturbing sense of morality - that you think holding an Embassy hostage one one occasion - one incident - is worse than mass war crimes and crimes against humanity and barbaric atrocity, chemical weapons attack - big ones.

Truly messed up - but ok ... each to their own ..

 

What makes chemical weapons any worse that conventional weapons used liberally?

And the U.S. embassy in Tehran was actually seized TWICE in 1979. Though the facility and its hostages were released in a couple of days in the earlier instance.

 

Nice try at moving the goalpost.

we are talking war crimes and crimes against humanity - be it chemical - conventional - or death squads dragging children over barbed wire in front of their parents.

You are claiming that holding an embassy hostage on one occasion - was worse than all of the above - en mass.

You are welcome to your depraved and warped moral perspective - I simply do not share it.

 

So are government-worshiping hypocrite conservatives who lie about being Christian, pro-Constitution, and for small government.

 

Like WHAT? You keep saying that with no evidence?

 

Hamas are a terrorist group, what is rambling about that?

You have no clue about Syria, you're trying to find an excuse to justify Assad's dictatorship. Various factions are backed by the West/Saudis against them and some are not nice people to say the least but if we can back Stalin against Hitler?

 

Not to interrupt the labeling and name calling session against Iran, but here is an image from the video released by the Houthis showing them take down the Saudi Tornado warplane.


The image is important because the Saudis refused to confirm their warplane was actually shot down by the Houthis.

 

Hamas are a different class of terrorist and they are not Al Qaeda - and do not share the same Saudi Inspired ideology. Iran was supporting Hamas - and I did not say otherwise.

The question on the table is US support for Terrorism - and where it ranks by comparison.

You first claimed that Saudi was not a state sponsor of Terror - which is an absurdity. Trying to apologize for the radical Islamists in Syria - while accusing me of apologizing for Assad - which I have not done .. other than say he was the lesser of two evils.

The US led a large coalition of Nations to arm, support and supply this radical Islamist proxy army - and army that was initially led by Al Qaeda and others of the same ilk - but a few years later the many of these groups + foreign fighters - had coalesced into ISIS.

So the side we were supporting was led by Al Qaeda and ISIS - we armed these Jihadists with tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment - including surface to air missiles (perfect for taking out civilian aircraft).

Within the first 2 years of the war the Islamist's had taken over most of Syria, the cities were run by Strict Sharia theocracies - dark age style - complete with rape, forced marriage, and all kinds of dark age style execution - genocide - the whole gamut of atrocity - videos all over the internet.

The deeds of Hamas are not remotely comparable to this - not even close. And Hamas is involved in a civil war - liberation movement -that and blood feud that has been going on for 80 years. So it is different.

Syria was not a "civil war" - It was an armed insurgency. It was the freedom loving people of Syria - against those that wanted to take those freedoms away. You want to focus on Assad - I focus on the people.

Regardless - the mass atrocity in Syria was far worse - and on a different scale - than anything Hamas has done.

So your claim that Iran is a bigger supporter of terrorism - fails - just on the basis of this conflict. In Yemen we are also allied with Al Qaeda - currently under investigation for complicity in war crimes/crimes against humanity. This is also a civil war - long standing feud - but between rival Muslim factions. Support for Hamas by Iran is no different than our support for the other side - radical Islamist nut jobs of the Al Qaeda variety.

but we don't even have to mention these two to surpass Iran. In the 90's we were allied with Saddam - who was using chemical weapons against Iran. Far worse than anything Hamas has ever done

That is just one of Rotten Ronnie's dirty deeds - Support for genocidal dictators such as Suharto - who illegally annexed East Timor and killed 1/3 of the population.

Then you have the death squad dictators in El Salvador and Guatemala - The leaders of which were trained in terror at the "School of the America's"

But back to Syria - We knew what was happening in these cities - yet still continued to support the Islamic State for years after.

You position is completely lost.

 

I don't see how that is.

I don't recall its according to international law to use your embassy to overthrow a government.

The US can't get over it, that their puppet regime and embassy got kicked out by the Iranian people.

The best Iran ever had, was a peaceful democracy, and the US removed it to install thug terroristic fascist rule.

5 guided missiles... a "mistake". Sure. It was a "mistake" the US removed an elected government.
The Iranian people protested and corrected that little mistake and humiliated a super power.
They still can't get over it.

 

What makes you think Mossadegh was democratically elected? Read the Wikipedia entry on how he took power. Despite what many claim it was hardly "democratic".

 

1. Oh. Hamas are a different class of terrorist? What does that mean? Hamas wishes to destroy the state of Israel and spread their religious tyranny throughout the ME.

2. Saudi is not a state sponsor of terrorism, it helps rebel groups in Syria in an attempt to overthrow Assad, some of them are religious extremists but you can't always pick your allies.

3. The Iran/Iraq war ended in 1988. Hamas never used chemical weapons because they don't have any.

Your position is lost, you are trying to say the US and its' allies are as bad or worse than the Iranians, they aren't by any stretch of the imagination. Have courage to call a spade a spade and accept that you can't just stick your head in the sand and wish the rest of the world will go away.

 

How is Israel within their rights to occupy - but whatever - that doesn't change the fact that it is an apartheid state. Regardless - this is a secondary issue.

Your main absurd claim is that Iran is a bigger terrorist state than the US.

I already gave you a ton of links with respect to Rotten Ronnie and Bush's atrocities in El Salvador Guatemala - supporting those death squad dictatorships - and training their fighters in terror tactics at the "School of the Americas".

This is just a snippet to refresh your memory - in case you didn't remember trying to justify death squads dragging children over barbed wire fences - as their parents watched - with "But they were our bad guys"

You need a link for Saddam using Chemical weapons against Iran ? while we were allied with and supporting Iraq. under Rotten Ronnie ? or does the memory of the self professed historian not go that far back.

How about leading a global coalition to arm Al Qaeda and other Islamist Jihadists groups in Syria - and action which led to the deaths of 500,000, war crimes, crimes against humanity and so on.

This resulted in the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - hopefully Congress (bipartisan) is a good enough source for you.

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists[/QUOTE]

You mean Reagan fighting the rising tide of communism in Latin America, defeating them and installing free and democratic societies throughout the region? Exactly what 'atrocities' did the US teach in the School of Americas? What did the militaries of South America not know on the subject?