Nazi Econimcs 101

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    The economy of the German National Socialists was a stunning success so I am surprised that most people seem quite ignorant in regard to the economic theories of National Socialism. It is right to learn -- even from the enemy. I have studied the economic ideas of the National Socialist Party to try to better understand the economic miracle of the pre-war nazi economy. In my opinion the economics of National Socialism is certainly worth consideration in modern times because the economic miracle of pre-WW2 Nazi Germany could offer us ideas that could help with the global economy post-GFC.

    Many people are drawn to various communists and their economic ideas but due to the Nazi Party being associated with most terrible crimes against humanity and the most evil man in history -- the succesful economic ideas of the National Socialists have been lost to history in many ways. Most anti-capitalists will know of the ideas of Karl Marx but few know of the economic ideas Hitler or National Socialist economist Schacht or Feder.

    The germination of National Socialist economics occurred while Hitler heard National Socialist economist Feder giving a speech on the topics of stock exchange and loan capital.

    - Adolph Hitler/Mein Kampf/Chapter VIII: The Beginning of My Political Activity

    - Adolph Hitler/Mein Kampf/Chapter VIII: The Beginning of My Political Activity


    The National Socialists hated communism but their economic ideas are concerned primarily with protecting the economic independence of the nation of Germany against International Capital. Hitler was against globalization -- or internationalzation of the global economy under bourgeois capitalism. The National Socialists were isolationist and supported National Capital over International Capital. National Socialist economics associated the speculation of stock exchange and loan capital with the loss of German sovereignty/national independence.

    Economy is secondary in National Socialist philosophy but the protection of the national economy is a vital National Interest.i National Socialists consider economic independence as being essential to protecting sovereignty. To achieve economic independence the National Socialists used a policy of economic autarky/isolationism.

    National Socialism is al about unleashing the national private economy by creating economic and social harmony between the public and private sector. National Socialist philosophy considers true value to be in work and production -- not in interest and speculation. This is key to National Socialist philosophy.

    The economic miracle of pre-WW2 Nazi Germany occurred while Germany was suffering from the brutal Treaty of Versailles that the allies had forced on Germany after WW1. The economic miracle also occurred during The Great Depression which makes the economic success of the National Socialists all the more remarkable. The majot probem facing the people of Germany was that they had no capital. The nation of Germany had experienced hyperinflation and had no gold. the only thing that the Germans had was work and production. The National Socialists decided that Germany did not need money so long as the people would work and produce real value. National Socialism is not just concerned with unleashing the national private economy but also with unleashing the potential that the people have to contribute to the National Interest.

    The massive public works projects that the National Socialists used to reduce unemployment while upgrading national infrastructure and security were paid for with German Marks. The idea for the German Marks is very similar to the Lincoln Greenbacks used by Abraham Lincoln to fund the Yankees in the American Civil War.This idea is paper money issued by the state that can only be spent within the nations borders. Since Germany was under a policy of virtual autarky not only was the German Marks system possible but it also encouraged national growth and protected against even minor flight of capital. The Marks worked so well that a time came when some nations were accepting German Marks as international currency. Having no gold or capital could not keep the Germans down so long as they were willing and not prevented from working and producing real value.

    Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry comment


    A very interesting exchange betwehjalmar schacht t economist Hjalmar Schacht and an American banker highlights just how different German and American thinking on banking were. The American banker commented - "Dr. Schacht, you should come to America. We've lots of money and that's real banking." Schacht replied, "You should come to Berlin. We don't have money. That's real banking."

    It is almost comical that the western capitalists claimed to be fighting for the maintenance of the gold standard when we consider the absurdity that modern capitalism has descended to with the USA in control since the Bretton Woodsi nstitutions were established by the victors of WW2. Hitler and the National Socialists found solutions to overcome National Debt and in my opinion Europe and especially the USA need to look for solutions to their own National Debt problems wherever they can be found.

    - Adolph Hitler/Speech Dec 10 1940

    International Finance was able to use National Debt to suppressed and dominated Germany in a very similar way to how much of modern continental Europe has been suppressed and dominated by the IMF and international capital.

    - Adolph Hitler/Speech Dec 10 1940

    In modern times there are tensions between East and West and somewhat of a power struggle. I think that National Socialist economics is worth consideration to help find modern economic solutions but I also think it is important to consider Nazi economic philosophy to help us protect against those that would use nazi economic iideology in a negative or destructive way. I agree with the CPC that isolationism is a dead end street. The autarky of National Socialism is not a positive path to a nation achieving economic independence and economic independence can be achieved while a nation is still engaged with the global economy. I disagree with the National Socialists that interest and speculation do not constitute genuine value but regulation is needed. The National Socialists were not against the private economy in any way but the State had final say on all matters and business was regulated in the interest of the National Interest and by extension the people. The nominal socialism of National Socialism gives national capitalists freedom while protecting the people against the temptations and evils of unchecked surplus capitalism.

    - Adolph Hitler/Speech Dec 10 1940

    National Socialists were not machine breakers like the Luddites. National Socialism was interested in using the best combinations in the interest of the nation. National Socialists were not out to 'bust the trusts' and were not against the private economy causing a rising tide that lifts all boats. The major problem with National Socialism was the autarky. Since the Cold War we have seen that minor differences in the characteristics of a nations economic philosophy do not need to lead to war or isolation. The differences being overcome by our two modern superpowers China and USA can be solved through diplomacy and compromise.

    In my opinion China is similar to Germany in some ways and one of the major similarities that I see is that both economies have gained power by producing genuine value with work. In my opinion the CPC is far superior to National Socialist economic philosophy because the CPC is always positive and willing to compromise for win-win trade relationships that offer mutual benefit. China is progressive and realistic about the need for all nations to compromise in the interest of mutual gain and economic harmony. The CPC understand value better than the German National Socialist did in my opinion and I am happy that China always looks to be a positive and helpful member of the global community. The economic reforms that the CPC has carried out on SOE and many other initiatives such as the establishment of the Shanghai free trade zone as well as efforts to internationalize the yuan are evidence that the tensions between China and some in the US are nothing that cannot be overcome with diplomacy and trade.

    In my opinion the CPC has an advanced perspective on political figures from the past.

    "Revolutionary leaders are not gods, but human beings. (We) cannot worship them like gods or refuse to allow people to point out and correct their errors just because they are great. - President Xi Jinping

    I think that in modern times we must take good ideas where we find them. We cannot allow emotion to cause us to ignore lessons that history can teach us. Not only is it important to learn from an enemy if it is possible but it is also important to understand your enemy and to know their rhythms.

    Fas est et ab hoste doceri. - Ovid

    Not only is it important to learn from an enemy if it is possible but it is also important to understand your enemy and to know their rhythms. In my opinion National Socialism needs more examination and this is more than possible without excusing the horrific crimes against humanity committed by the Nazi Party.

    National Socialist Economics deserve far more attention and in my opinion modern political theoreticians need to better understand the pre-WW2 Nazi economy.

    In my opinion some of the basic concepts can be taken and applied to the Global Economy. The Nazi were against 'internationalization' but the ever evolving ambitions of megalomaniac Hitler certainly did include a global National Socialism as an end game.

    Hitlers fascist allies in Italy and Spain all believed in a global fraternity being possible that was very much like a global corporatism.

    I agree with National Socialism about maintaining the best combinations. The modern big corp is similar to the industrialist capitalists of the past. A rising tide certainly does cause all boats to rise It is a unique time in history and in my opinion the global private economy will be unleashed when there is harmony between the public and private sectors. If any ideas from National Socialism can help to reduce class conflict then they deserve consideration.

    In my opinion the German Marks system and other National Socialist ideas may offer inspiration in finding solutions to western poverty. In my opinion the income of the working poor that are drowning in debt must be quarantined by the State. The State can help the poor that are in debt and living on credit to manage their finances. Some of the ideas of National Socialism may be able to be taken and applied to sections of the economy instead of being used for entire economies. The absolutism of the Nazi does not mean that certain economic ideas of the National Socialists cannot have value in modern times. Of course it is absurd to suggest that interest and speculation have no value. This is like claiming that advertizing has no value. These things do have value. What is the value of a tulip? The value of a tulip is the amount that a person is willing to spend on the tulip. Of course interest and speculation have value but in the interest of the alleviation of poverty it may be sensible for the poorest western citizens to have access to amnesty while the State helps them manage their finances and get back in the black. A poor person does not need money so much as State credit and public-private partnerships between the state and big corp may be the best path to the alleviation of western poverty and low- socioeconomic debt. Many western poor need help in managing their finances -- especially those with children. Some of the ideas of National Socialism will be no good for the broader economy but in my opinion National Socialist economic philosophy may contain ideas that can help the modern State reduce poverty and help the poorest citizens to lift themselves out of poverty.

    [video=youtube;viy5sNsTevk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viy5sNsTevk[/video]
     
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    Hitler, the man who fought the banks and ended up dead in a bunker, makes me want to rush out and adopt Nazi policies.

    1. Hitler was dependent on rearmament.

    2 Hitler was dependent on major government works.

    3. Hitler claimed no unemployment in Germany but did not count women or Jews as unemployed.

    4. Hitler did not believe in the rights of individuals, but that each individual should sacrifice for the state.

    5. Hitlers 4 year plan to make Germany self sufficient was not successful and in 1939 Germany still imported 30% of raw materials.

    6. The annexation of Czechoslovakia and Austria were all that kept Germany from being bankrupt.

    7. The policies of Hitler virtually guaranteed war, since that was the only way he could sustain his "economic miracle"
     
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    1. Nope, they actually started rearming a couple of years after Hitler came to power, not directly. Besides that, it were the Jews who declared war on Germany first in 1933, only 2 months after Hitler came in to power:

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    2. They got huge projects going on, like the amazing highway system they built which is unequalled till today. Besides that, they built thousands of high-quality houses and other stuff. Like the Volkswagen cars who Hitler designed himself and were cheap, so every German could own a car.

    3. The Jews, who brought Germany into bankruptcy and of which the majority were pro-communism, were seen by the Germans as a 'foreign entity'. So indeed, they didn't count them as Germans anymore.

    4. He surely did believe in the rights for individuals. But also expected everyone to work hard for the State and indeed if necessary, sacrifice themselves for it. Which the German people all did out of free will by the way.

    5. Yea, lol. Did you expect them to have their own oilfields and iron-ore mines then? Almost no Nation on earth can be completely self-sufficient. And I would like to see a source where you got the idea from that Hitler wanted the Germany to become completely self-sufficient.

    6. This is a ridiculous statement. Austria happily wanted to join Germany because they had seen their economic explosion and direction the country was going. "Der Anschluss" was not called the "war of flowers" for nothing... this due to the fact that the Germans got showered with flowers when they entered Austria. Czechoslovakia had to do with former German territory being cut off from Germany due to the Treaty of Versailles. The ethnic Germans still living there got discriminated against and violence erupted. Hitler demanded the area back or he would have gone in to take it. And he got it without waging war.

    7. It guaranteed war because Germany freed itself from the international banking system. The bankers didn't like it at all, since they were afraid that other countries would want to follow the example. So Germany got targetted for destruction.
     
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    The NoThinks will be out soon and due to their shallow understanding of politics, philosophy, history, economics and life in general, will tell you that the NAZIS were socialists because they will atone their mantra " it says socialist in their name".

    I do not believe that I need to remind anyone that the anti-semitism and racism of Hitler was actual an integral part of the NAZI "economic " plan.
    Now having said that I Proclaim you wrong about the " success" of NAZISM as an economic model for Germany.

    Germany under the NAZIS could not have sustained it economic " growth" without expanding and gobbling up countries and the resources of other people's and lands.

    Hitler targeted Jews because he was convinced that Jews " controlled " the international banking system and gold reserves.

    Hitler,s " national socialism" plan required land for German " settlers" to grow crops. Fir this'd lands he pointed East and wanted the plans of Poland, Ukraine, Southern Russia, and for good measure he threw in the oil fields of the Caucasus countries. Rumanian girls were limited.

    If the yahoos here on this board try to use their brains and get past the word " socialist" as Hitler used it they will see that it was a big okay on words. The word " national" in national socialists is the key word. Hitler could have called his plan national capitalism and did the same thing.
    These yahoos also confuse capitalism with freedom and liberty. Freedom and liberty is not guaranteed by capitalism nor necessarily squashed by socialism. Yet both systems in practice can and gave done both.

    Classic capitalism calls for getting raw and manufactured resources at the lowest cost possible. Socialism urn,to that different when it comes to obtaining resources. The differences are in how socialism and capitalism go about doing that.
     
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    Hitler began rearmament as soon as he came to power, he went public with it in 1935.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_re-armament




    Yes, that is what I said, massive government works.
    This is a racial slur against the Jews, I have reported it as such since it breaks forum rules, any subsequent racial slurs will be reported. I want you to know who is reporting you, unlike most Nazis on here I do not go anonymous. Women were also not counted, did you forget that.
    He made Germans sacrifice themselves for the state, many did not do so freely. This is the very definition of Nazism where the state is more important than the individual.
    I have used a source that is used for young children in the UK so you might be able to understand Hitlers four year plan. If you think that you might be able to cope with one for adults let me know.
    http://gcsehistory.org.uk/modernworld/germany/autarky.htm

    The Austrian Nazi party was very small, the nazis would of lost any referendum, if you actually did some research away from Nazi propaganda you might learn.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss

    It virtually guaranteed war because the only way Hitler could maintain his "economic miracle" was to invade other countries and rob their resources, it ended up with Hitlers body being burnt with a can of petrol and 2million German women being raped because he was an incompetent leader and worse general.
     
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    Oh for Chrissakes just own it. You guys have no problem claiming Stalin, and Mao as part of the left, even though the sheer scale of their atrocities dwarf the Nazi's. Generally it's no enemies-on-the-left except for the Nazi's. But you would love Nazi-nomics. Can't you just separate the fascist economics and just disown the other stuff? Your pre-emptive whining is ridiculous.
     
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    National Socialist Germany was indeed Socialist.

    A simple read on the German Labour Front will show you that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front
     
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    There us nothing to own on my part because the truth is on my side. I do not need any lessons on the atrocities of Russians/Stalin-Communists remember I have said many times that the Russians sent both of my grandfathers to Siberia and Russians/Stalinists murdered 8 -10 million of Ukrainians the people who I am of. I have stated many times that both of my parents survived Firced labor camps curtesy of the Nazis.
    Now I in no way expressed any " love" for Nazi- omics. You must have someone else in mind. Try the OP.

    WHAT " whining" are you talking about. .??

    If you cannot understand that the term " socialist" in National Socialist is just as wrong and idiot as the term "Democratic" is in the name. "German Democratic Republic" . Or for that matter " republic " in GDR is also a joke being that it was a Russian controlled German Communist autocracy.

    If you cannot get past a name and see what reality is you may be one of those who believes the liar Trump just because he used words such as "America" and "Great".

    You need to look past the word and see the reality.

    Try it sometimes you may like it.
     
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    I can't babysit every delusional person. If you can't accept reality, then don't.
     
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    this article is a lie.

    the Jews of the world did not unify under a massive boycott of German goods.

    the main German Jewish organization condemned the boycott in the strongest terms
     
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    You have a source for that?

    Altho I think it's quite understandable they did that in Germany, because they didn't want themselves to be put out of business.

    But... source pls.
     
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    "However, the Central Jewish Association of Germany, denied that the Nazi government was deliberately provoking anti-Jewish pogroms. It issued a statement of support for the regime and held that "the responsible government authorities [i.e. the Hitler regime] are unaware of the threatening situation," saying, "we do not believe our German fellow citizens will let themselves be carried away into committing excesses against the Jews."[2] Nevertheless, even though vandalism of Jewish businesses and property across Germany occurred, prominent Jewish business leaders wrote letters in support of the Nazi regime calling on officials in the Jewish community in Palestine, as well as Jewish organizations abroad, to drop their efforts in organizing an economic boycott"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933#Events_in_Germany
     
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    Yea, lol.

    Do you have anything else than wikipedia, since that site is Zionist controlled?
     
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    do you have anything to prove the article is wrong?
     
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    Only on the internet do people look at the Nazi regime's policies - policies that led directly to the deaths of over 7 million of their own people and 70 million deaths worldwide - and be considered in ANY terms or any level, "successful". WTF, people - just plain old WTF. Crazy time.
     
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    Even Germany's Jewish Central Association, known as the Verein, contested the suggestion (made by some Jewish leaders outside Germany) that the new government was deliberately provoking anti- Jewish uprisings.

    The Verein issued a statement that "the responsible government authorities [i.e. the Hitler regime] are unaware of the threatening situation," saying, "we do not believe our German fellow citizens will let themselves be carried away into committing excesses against the Jews."

    Despite this, Jewish leaders in the United States and Britain determined on their own that it was necessary to launch a war against the Hitler government.


    http://rense.com/general84/declare.htm

    “We being Jews ourselves are astonished and disgusted with this propaganda against Germany, being based on absolutely untrue statements. The news of cruelties, murdering of Jews, men and women, etc., are perfect lies from beginning to end. This news comes from and is spread abroad by certain traitors, literary men, who fled from Germany when the National Government was formed, and is supplied by communistic circles.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.652576

    Goering had met twice with the leaders of the Central Verein to assure them that everything would calm down, for the Nazis were quite worried of the American reaction. But this American reaction was brewing already: on 12 March the American Jewish Congress approved a program of protests and marches that would culminate in a massive demonstration in Madison Square Garden on the 27th. One vice-president of the Congress, Dr. Joseph Tenenbaum, told the reporters that there would be a great boycott against Germany if the violence against the Jews did not abate. With the speed of lightning, the assimilated German Jews of the American Jewish Committee, with their assimilated German Jewish allies in B’nai B’rith (see section above on Reform Judaism), called a meeting of the three main Jewish organizations, stating their categorical opposition to any protest, and especially to a boycott.

    Neither did Wise want a march, and he proposed timidly instead that they sign a joint protest declaration, and no more. But a crushing majority of his Congress voted for marching, and so the Congress leaders were informed the next morning that “the Committee-B’nai B’rith binary would dissociate itself from the Congress -- indeed from any organized Jewish protest against Hitler.

    ordinary Jews participated with joyous energy, agitating and organizing to grow the boycott and destroy Nazism, while their wealthy, established leaders made passionate efforts to sabotage it all.

    On 19 March “a group of European Jewish organizations analogous to the American Jewish Committee and B’nai B’rith” -- which is to say, steered by upper-class Jews who assimilated to the Christian ruling classes, and quite distant from the Jewish masses -- called a conference in Paris. What was their purpose? They “tried to stifle the growing protest movement on the [European] Continent inspired by the American Jewish Congress.” The Paris decision was unanimous against any protest, so the “Committee people in New York could now tell the Congress that Jewish organizations closest to the trouble in Europe agreed that there should be no public agitation against Hitler.”

    The Congress membership cheered and celebrated that it would confront the Nazis, and “J. George Freedman, commander in chief of the Jewish War Veterans, ...proudly announced his organization had already -- on its own initiative -- commenced the national anti-Nazi boycott.” Joseph M. Proskauer, from the Committee, turned livid and attacked the proposal saying that a boycott would endanger the German Jews even more

    This naturally contributed to the prestige of the pro-boycott efforts of the Jewish War Veterans in New York.[94]

    But the leaders of the American Jewish Committee and B’nai B’rith condemned the boycott excitement in the American Jewish Congress, giving the US government all the political protection it needed to do nothing, for these were “the influential and prominent leaders of the Jewish community.”

    http://www.hirhome.com/israel/leaders0.htm

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    However, the Central Jewish Association of Germany, denied that the Nazi government was deliberately provoking anti-Jewish pogroms. It issued a statement of support for the regime and held that "the responsible government authorities [i.e. the Hitler regime] are unaware of the threatening situation," saying, "we do not believe our German fellow citizens will let themselves be carried away into committing excesses against the Jews."[2] Nevertheless, even though vandalism of Jewish businesses and property across Germany occurred, prominent Jewish business leaders wrote letters in support of the Nazi regime calling on officials in the Jewish community in Palestine, as well as Jewish organizations abroad, to drop their efforts in organizing an economic boycott.[3]

    http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Jewish+boycott+of+German+goods
     
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    Ok, now we're talking, thanks. :thumbsup:

    Indeed, World Jewry basically put the German Jews in harms way by declaring the boycott on Germany. However, while Jews were being removed from influential positions and rounded up for supporting communism, there wasn't 'violence' against the Jews.

    This due to the National Socialists and Zionists being in full (Ha'avara) agreement the Jews were transported to Palestine with all their goods and money in their bank accounts.

    Only on the night of 9 - 10 November in 1938, violence erupted against the Jews which is remembered as "Crystal night", due to the windows of the Jewish stores being thrown in. The reason for the eruption of this violence was due to the Jew Herschel Grynszpan who killed the German ambassador Ersnt von Rath at the embassy in Paris.

    However, there are different stories about who were responsible for organising Crystal Night... One thing is for sure; Hitler was very unhappy with the event, as he knew what international backlash this would give to the nation. Apparently to avoid internal wrangling and the harm that this would do to their public image, an investigation to determine the instigators never took place. Hitler believed that Dr. Goebbels, his closest confidant and the one man he could never abandon, had been the instigator.

    Another story is that Crystal Night was instigated by foreign agent provocateurs, and basically 'False Flagged' the German attack.
     
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    Sticking to facts,

    Heydrich expelled 17,000 Jews on October 27th, these people were herded into railway wagons and dumped at the Polish boarder.

    The 17year old Herschel Grynszpan family was among this group, and that is what led to his attack on the German Ambassidor.

    Heydrich himself reported 7500 Jewish businesses destroyed, over 200 synagogues burned and 91 Jews murdered on the night of broken glass!

    Care to comment on any of this?
     
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    The Grynszpan Story

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    It was Herschel Feibel Grynszpan (Gruenspan) who initiated the entire Crystal Night affair by shooting the Secretary of the German Embassy in Paris, Ernst vom Rath. History writers tell us that the 17-year-old Grynszpan was merely a poor Jewish boy who had been driven to despair by the injustice done to his family and who, in his deep depression, shot the young German diplomat. The fact, however, is that Grynszpan had not shown any previous interest in his family's fate. He had wanted to be free of them and had gone to Paris to live on his own.

    When the French police asked Grynszpan why he had shot vom Rath, he gave several contradictory explanations:

    Version 1: He did not mean to kill vom Rath. He had wanted to kill the German ambassador but because he did not know the ambassador personally, he shot vom Rath instead by mistake.

    Version 2: He had only wanted to kill himself, but wanted to do so directly beneath a portrait of Adolf Hitler. In this way he hoped to become a symbol for the Jewish people, who were being murdered daily in Germany.

    Version 3: He had not intended to kill anyone. Although he had a pistol in his hand, he did not know how to handle it properly and it simply went off accidentally.

    Version 4: He could not remember what had happened while he stood in vom Rath's office. All he remembered was that he was there, but did not remember why.

    Version 5: He couldn't understand the question at all. He must have had a complete blackout because he no longer remembered anything.

    And finally, version 6, which he gave several years later to German officials: Whatever the French police had written down about his reason was nonsense. The true story is that he used to procure young boys for the German embassy secretary because vom Rath had been a homosexual. And he shot vom Rath because he had not been paid for his services. This is the only explanation which he later retracted during interrogation. However, none of these explanations is correct.

    The true story is far less heroic. Grynszpan had left his family in Hannover, Germany, in 1936 after finishing elementary school but without graduating. His father had been a piece-work tailor who had moved from Poland to Germany after the First World War. Herschel had a reputation for disliking work and he hung out at the homes of his uncles in Brussels and Paris. In February 1938 his Polish passport expired and the French government refused to renew his residence permit. As a direct result, his Paris uncle insisted that Herschel leave his home because he was afraid of getting into touble with the law. And now the story begins to get extremely interesting. Although Grynszpan had no job or money (his uncle refused to support him), he was nevertheless able to move into a hotel. His hotel happened to be just around the corner from the offices of an important and influential Jewish organization, the International League Against Anti-Semitism, or LICA. The questions which now arise are: Who supported him after February 1938 and who paid for his hotel room? Although he had no apparent means of support or even valid identity papers between February and November 1938, Grynszpan was nevertheless able to purchase a handgun for 250 francs on the morning of 7 November 1938 and then, about an hour later, go to the German Embassy and shoot vom Rath.

    Grynszpan was arrested at the scene and was taken to a police station. Although he was a totally obscure Polish Jew with no money and no apparent supporters, nevertheless one of France's most famous lawyers, Moro Giafferi, appeared at the police station a few hours after the shooting and told the police that he was Grynszpan's attorney. Nothing could possibly have appeared about the shooting in any newspaper before his arrival. How then could Moro Giafferi have possibly known about the shooting? Why was he so eager to defend this young foreigner? And finally, who was going to pay his attorney fees? As it turned out, Giafferi took good care of Grynszpan during the following years. Before the Grynszpan case could come before a French court, the war broke out. After the Germans occupied France, he was turned over to them by the French authorities. He was taken to Germany where he was interrogated many times, but no trial ever took place. Moro Giafferi, who had moved to Switzerland in the meantime, still managed to take good care of Grynszpan.

    Many German officials were actively interested in the case. They wanted Grynszpan brought to trial, but this never happened. Rumors circulated. A trial date was scheduled but then postponed again and again and again. Whenever any official asked why Grynszpan had not been brought to trial, he was given a different answer each time. The veil of mystery surrounding this case was lifted only slightly many years after the war when a note was discovered among the many hundreds of pages in the Grynszpan file. This single short note stated simply that the trial against Grynszpan would not take place for "other than official reasons." [note 10] It gave no further explanation. Although the National Socialist regime supposedly committed the greatest imaginable crimes against the Jews, the murderer Grynszpan survived the war and returned to Paris. Why to Paris, where he could still have been arrested and tried for murder? But instead he received a new name and new identity papers there. [note 11] From whom? Who was in Paris to help him and once again take such good care of him?

    Incidentally, the Grynszpan family also survived the war. The young man's father, mother, brother and sister were deported to Poland as a result of the Polish passport affair and shortly thereafter were somehow able to emigrate to Palestine. Amazingly enough, this took place at a time when immigration to Palestine was limited to persons who possessed at least 1,000 English pounds in cash. Grynszpan's father, a poor piece-work tailor, certainly never had a fortune of 4,000 English pounds. Many years after the war the father testified at the Eichmann trial in Jerusalem that he and his family had to give up all of their money except for ten marks per family member when they arrived at the German-Polish border in October l938. [note l2] How did they ever raise the 4,000 English pounds only a short time later for their migration to Palestine? Who organized their move?

    Perhaps the answer to all of these questions is … Moro Giafferi! He was not a sorcerer, but someone even more powerful: he was the legal counsel of the LICA. The LICA was founded in Paris in 1933 by the Jew Bernard Lecache and operated as a militant propaganda organization against real or imagined anti-Semitism. Its main office is still in Paris at the same address it was at in 1938. (Now known as the LICRA, it unsuccessfully sued Robert Faurisson a few years ago.) Moro Giafferi was well worth the fees LICA paid him as its legal counsel. He apparently enjoyed spectacular scenes. He had already achieved international renown at a mass meeting in Paris following the Berlin Reichstag fire of February 1933. Without knowing at all what had happened, he nevertheless delivered a spiteful speech against National Socialist Germany in which he accused Hermann Göring of setting the fire. In February 1936 Giafferi hurried to Davos, Switzerland, where the Jew David Frankfurter had shot and killed Wilhelm Gustloff, the head of the Swiss branch of the German National Socialist Party. During the subsequent trial it was clearly established that Frankfurter had been a hired murderer with backing from an unidentified but influential organization. All clues pointed to the LICA, but with Moro Giafferi as his defense counsel, Frankfurter remained silent about who, if anyone, had hired him. Amazingly enough, Frankfurter's answers to questions about the shooting showed the same pattern as Grynszpan's answers almost three years later after Giafferi arrived to help following the shooting of Ernst vom Rath.

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    To comment on this; Crystal Night never should have happened and was a very tragic event.

    Hitler was even called "man of the year" in Time Magazine in 1938 before it happened in November:

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    Afterwards, Germany was Internationally outcasted.

    A logical reaction of course, and Hitler absolutely did not want it to happen. It makes no sense either.

    The Jews suffered a lot that night, but eventually, the Germans got to suffer the most afterwards.
     
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    no, the reason for the violence is that Nazis hated Jews and used the von Rath assassination as an excuse to murder Jews, round them up, and destroy their property.

    the Nazis never missed an opportunity to attack and kill Jews
     
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    Really then why did Hitler stand next to Goebals the next day, whilst Goeballs said,

    It is an intolerable state of affairs [Goebbels told members of the press] that within our borders and for all these years hundreds of thousands of Jews still control whole streets of shops, populate our recreation spots and, as foreign apartment owners, pocket the money of German tenants, while their racial comrades abroad agitate for war against Germany and gun down German officials.
    http://time.com/39932/kristallnacht-photos-from-a-1938-goebbels-press-conference-justifying-terror/
    Not much remorse there?
     
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    Oh but you forgot to mention that the theory is that he was gay and the lover of the Nazi, many Nazis were and still are closet homosexuals.
     
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    Um, there was NO ISRAEL in 1933.
    Oops, looks like your post has some lies in it.
     
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    many Jews opposed the boycott, especially German Jews.

    there is no actual data on how the boycott affected German export sales.
     

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