'Nazi Grandma' sent to jail again for Holocaust denial

I think you would like to close the topic becaue you've been unable to refute the testimony of former SS personnel and the statements of organisations that were involved.
If anything both you and Grau have completely dodged the Red Cross. Which says an awful lot.

Yes. I didn't say that I had a fluent understanding though which I made clear.

Why would you post something that's not in English?

Which doesn't prove anything. Also he fails to mention where exactly he was because Auchwitz isn't a small camp. In fact it was a large complex which both funtioned as a labour camp and extermination camp.

Then there's website is somewhat suspect as it is focused on Holocaust denial and therefore not an impartial source.
Even if we are to take this seriously then this after the surrender. So Auchwitz wasn't in operation.

Also Mazakarini wasn't an SS member which means that he is incomparable to the men which I listed. In fact he was a junior officer.

 

"STILL NO 'PLAN' OR PROOF"

“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”
- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution&#8221, (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190.


"What became known in high Nazi circles as the Fuehrer Order on the Final Solution apparently was never committed to paper -- at least no copy of it has yet been unearthed in the captured Nazi documents. " William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (New York: Fawcett Crest, 1960), p.1256.

1. RE:

No, perhaps "Jazz" wanted to close the topic because he, "lunecat", I & others have completely debunked the unsupported assertions you continue to regurgitate Ad infinitum.

Anyone with even a cursory understanding of post WW 2 machination knows that the testimony of former SS personnel etc were the result of torture, being drugged or an effort to avoid torture:


- “The Holocaust legend is built on "confessions" obtained VIA TORTURE; Jewish interrogators beat, tortured, and crushed the testicles of German defendants at war crimes trials”
http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-...2015/06/the-holocaust-legend-is-built-on.html


- “How Britain tortured Nazi PoWs: The horrifying interrogation methods that belie our proud boast that we fought a clean war”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...thods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html

What is it about "Tortured Confessions" are you unable to understand?


2. RE:

That is a deliberate & very revealing falsehood as I've already addressed the Red Cross Reports:


“OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED”
http://www.renegadetribune.com/inte...ort-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/

EXCERPT “In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatsoever of ‘gas chambers’.

The original 1946 edition did not even talk of ‘extermination’ or ‘death camps’ but after the emotional impact of the Nuremberg trials the Red Cross felt compelled to introduce into the expanded 1948 Report several, very cursory references to ‘death camps’ (Vol. 1 p. 641) and ‘extermination camps’ (Vol. I p. 645).


However, no means of’extermination’ is indicated.

In all its 1,600 pages the three-volume Report does not even mention such a thing as a
‘gas chamber’. It acknowledges that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but’ its complete silence
on the subject of’gassings’ is ample refutation of the ‘Holocaust’ legend.”CONTINUED


What part of "
However, no means of’extermination’ is indicated." are you unable to understand?

AND:


“A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross;
The Jews And The Concentration Camps:No Evidence Of Genocide”
http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

EXCERPT “This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings....

"Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies".

By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable."CONTINUED


3. RE:

You clearly said that you "could read German" Were you lying then or are you lying now?

The rest of your Post simply is an exercise in "grabbing at straws" because you know so little about the realities of Auschwitz as revealed after Soviet "Renovations"


4. Speaking of "dodging issues", you've yet to refute:


“THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” by Nicholas Kollerstrom
https://www.scribd.com/document/282721687/Breaking-the-Spell-the-Holocaust-Myth-Reality

EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communi-cations between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


5. Even though a Holocaust® on the scale related in Holocaustian dogma would have required a large & obvious Plan, none exists.

Deluded Holocaustians, then, refer to the Wannsee "Conference" / Meeting as the source of a "Final Solution", however, well respected Holocaust® historian had the courage & integrity to describe that notion as a bunch of "silly stories":


“The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed”
http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/

EXCERPT “ In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews;

– Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested;

– The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists;

– The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government);

– The Wannsee meeting was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions;

– The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; ALL Jews over the age of 65; and ALL Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation and be allowed to stay in Germany.

As long ago as 1992(!), Bauer, speaking at a conference held in London to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the Wannsee meeting, told the audience that the claim that Wannsee was a “master plan” to kill Jews was nothing a but a “silly story.”

Bauer’s remarks were reported in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of January 23, 1992, and the Canadian Jewish Times of January 30, 1992

There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a ‘master plan for mass murder’ and everyone who claims this to be the case, from Netanyahu down, is simply lying.” CONTINUED


And finally, if there was a Holocaust® as per Holocaustian dogma, how could 150,000 Jews have served in Hitler's SS, Wehrmacht, as Kapos etc etc:


“Hitler’s Jewish Army”
http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/150-000-jews-in-hitlers-army/
EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.
In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).
So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

“If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


The topic of this thread has to do with criminalizing Free Speech & the immoral & bizarre notion that any tragic episode throughout History can be openly discussed EXCEPT the fragile fraud known today as "The Holocaust®"

I don't doubt that possibly as many as 700,000 souls perished in the typhus ridden German Work / Internment Camps or that there were occasional cruel Camp Commanders & sporadic executions but in spite of flimsy forgeries & exaggerated 3rd hand claims, there was no demonic Plan to exterminate millions of innocent people.

For any mass extermination programs one must look to the Soviet Death camps & the Jewish subjects related in the book "An Eye for an Eye"


- “An Eye for An Eye”
http://www.whale.to/b/sack_b.html

EXCERPT "Since then, both 60 Minutes and The New York Times have corroborated what Sack wrote: that at the end of World War II, thousands of Jews sought revenge for the Holocaust.

They set up 1,255 concentration camps for German civilians -- German men, women, children and babies.

There they beat, whipped, tortured and murdered the Germans.
"The events are vivid, the language is powerful, the conclusions appear just. The book should be read and become part of the all too gruesome document the world calls history," the New York Daily News.”CONTINUED

 

There is absolutely no doubt that the Holocaust happened. There is no cleaning it up.

Holocaust denial became a crime in Germany in 1960 and the reason for that was too many people were perpetuating the myth it didn't happen, which was leading to to a resurgence of Nazi ideals.

The idea was to nip it in the bud and it has worked very well. There aren't many Holocaust deniers in Germany. They're mostly old people still trying to excuse what was a shameful period in Germany's history

 

First time I see it!!
Have read it through. The word "Endloesung" is somewhat misleading, I have to admit. They could have said, "Die Loesung des Judenproblems" (solving the Jewish problem) would have sounded less final. BUT, there are enough indications to show that extermination was not meant.

What I miss in this extensive layout of what to do with the Jews, is the mentioning of women and children. Not a word about them. OR was the plan to keep families together in one camp, so they could still see each other from time to time? I have not read of such a plan, nor know of any evidence for instance where the father could see his wife and children in another barrack. It sure would have been nice if that had been possible.

Having now read the Wannsee protocol I realize the Nazis were really serious to eliminate the Jew from their gene pool.
My impression has been that the German people in general were not at all worried about that.

I find it somehow a little bit insane to take on such a huge task of herding millions of Jews from all over Europe into barbwire enclosed camps in the middle of an ongoing war. That is nuts, I'm sorry to say.

I'm very tired tonight. Tomorrow will bring new and fresh ideas, I hope!
Thank you, Mr. Grau, for your tireless efforts to help the truth come forth!
A special to you... you are my hero!

 

Since no two indoctrinated Holocaustians hold the same belief, please provide your own precise definition of "Holocaust® denial" as you see it. For example, is someone who says "only" 1 million were executed in German Internment camps a "Holocaust® denier etc

I specify the alleged, European "Holocaust" with an ® because there have been numerous alleged "Holocausts" in which it has been asserted that "6 Million Jews" died, were starving etc:

CONTENT: REPEATED N.Y. TIMES REPORTS OF “6 MILLION JEWS”
“SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk


1. In reference to your assertion that:

Several centuries ago there was "absolutely no doubt" that the Earth was the center of our solar system and anyone who questioned that falsehood faced persecution similar to the independent thinkers of today who employ critical literacy (aka Thinking for yourself instead of succumbing to more current examples of "Group-think")


2. Re:

No, truthful renditions of WW 2 became a crime in Germany because the Occupying Powers / Victors write the History[1] & what Norman Finkelstein calls "The Holocaust Industry" rode on the backs of the victorious Allied Powers to begin their insatiable extortion program that hinged on inflated numbers and began with fake "Human skin lampshades", fake "Human fat soap", fake "Shrunken Heads" etc.

"Holocaust denial" Laws became necessary because a Lie requires censorship to survive


3. Re:

Wrong again, I lived, studied & worked in Germany for years, was/am fluent in German & there are many younger Germans who know the Holocaust® myth for the overblown fraud it is. They simply don't want to go to jail for "ThoughtCrimes". Surely you must know the quote: "To silence a man is not to convert him"

Additionally, billions of people around the world know the Holocaust® myth for the overblown & fraudulent extortion racket it is:


”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/
EXCERPT " Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."
CONTINUED


Even 8th Graders who have been able to escape Western Holocaustian indoctrination & think for themselves can see through the lies about mythical "Gas Chambers" etc

“SHOCKistrict’s ‘critical thinking’ assignment led at
least 50 students to conclude Holocaust never occurred”

http://eagnews.org/shock-districts-...tudents-to-conclude-holocaust-never-occurred/
EXCERPT "“Even many students who agreed the Holocaust occurred said there were good reasons to believe it had not or that elements of the historical record were actually hoaxes,” the Daily News reports.


One student declared there was no way the Holocaust occurred because the Nazis “would have had to have killed 187 people an hour in order to kill 6 million people. Therefore it is impossible.”

One student wrote that if the Nazis “would have even experimented these so called gas chambers the Nazis would have died also, so I do not believe in gas chambers.”

Another made a similar argument: “if gassing would have occurred everyone (nearby) would have died, because the floors had cracks in the floor and holes in the wall.”

Still another asserted “there is no significant cyanide traces in any of the alleged gas chambers. So any open minded person can easily be persuaded to believe that the gassings were a Hoax.”CONTINUED


As punishment for thinking for themselves, the offenders were sent to the "Museum of Tolerance.”


If 8th Graders who have escaped Holocaustian brain washing can think for themselves, why can't adults






[1] ““History is written by the victors.”
― Walter Benjamin
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/97949-history-is-written-by-the-victors

AND

[1] “History is written by the victors.” Winston Churchill
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/winstonchu380864.html

 

Liar! prove it! The Holohaux is a fabrication of history made up by the victors. Give us the evidence that Gays, Gypsies, Russian prisoners & some Jews were actually gassed in the labour camps in Natioanal socialist run camps...

No you can't because it did not happen!

 

How can you not be aware of the evidence?
>sigh< it defies belief

 

I found another person besides Heinz Mazakarini who also only learned after the war that Jews were gassed. His name is Alois Brunner, the right hand of Eichmann. Brunner was ordered to move Jews from western camps to other camps in the East during the war.
Here you can read it in English...

Excerpts:
Gerd Honsik met and talked at some length with Brunner in August 1987 in his apartment in the Syrian capital.

"When did you learn about the gassing of Jews?" Honsik asked.
Brunner's reply: "After the war, from the newspapers!"
....

Brunner is "an innocent man," and those who believe that he is a mass murderer or criminal are "victims of a great Allied propaganda lie," Honsik insists.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p123_Weber.html


Who is Gerd Honsik:

Read here:

http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/HomePage28April2009/honsik_life_10.htm

 

What "evidence" other than tortured confessions[1], conflicting & fraudulent stories[2], forged "documents"[3], deliberately altered "photographs[4]. Countless extortion driven swindles (I'll only cite one of thousands of ghoulish shake-down scams)[5] all of this promulgated by a powerful, corrupt, self-serving, profit driven Holocaust® Industry [6]

There have been innumerable references to tragic situations citing "6 Million Jews". Why believe this one over the countless other ones dating back as far as 1869 [7]

Very few people dispute the fact that hundreds of thousands died in German Work / Internment Camps which were intended not just for Gypsies, Homosexuals, Jews, Communists but also murderers, rapists, pedophiles too.

The issue is, then, how they died which was primarily via typhus & a shortage of life sustaining supplies throughout Germany due to Allied bombing of civilian & military infrastructure. This fact is supported by German radio communications intercepted by the British:

EXCERPT &#8220;In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German &#8220;Enigma&#8221; code. This undermined the German war effort &#8211; but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system.

The revealed information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.&#8221; CONTINUED [8]

Standard Holocaust® dogma has as its foundation fraudulent "Human Skin Lampshades", "Human Fat soap" etc designed in co-operation with the victorious Allies to both demonize the Germans and lay the groundwork for perhaps the most egregious extortion racket in modern history.

On the subject of "Holocaust® Denial" source material, just because a site debunks a fraud & exposes a hoax does not denigrate the integrity of that source or its authors

Since there are literally billions of people around the world who reject the standard Holocaust® dogma, Westerners who resist Holocaustian indoctrination either through the school system or via Hollywood are far from alone as:
&#8221;THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS&#8221;
http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/






[1] &#8220;Huge smoking gun: The fake "confession" of Rudolf Höss to the "mass murder of 2.5 million jews" at Auschwitz -- Obtained via torture by jewish interrogators, and now exposed/admitted as false&#8221;
http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-...5/06/huge-smoking-gun-fake-confession-of.html


[2] &#8220;Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust&#8221;
http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fa...ap-Lampshades-Fertilizer-Mengele-Miracles.php

&#8226; Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

&#8226; William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

&#8226; Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

&#8226; Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

&#8226; Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

&#8226; Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood&#8221; CONTINUED


[2] &#8220;Allegations of Fake Holocaust Claims Just Keep Growing&#8221;
http://forward.com/articles/138473/allegations-of-fake-holocaust-claims-just-keep-gro/#ixzz3NUjH4LEg

EXCERPT &#8220;Although fewer than 20 people have been charged, the Claims Conference has identified about 4,800 claims it believes to be fraudulent. Bukh said he represented six people, including one &#8220;recruiter&#8221; and a handful of people who had not been arrested but who are co-operating with the FBI in the hope that they will not be charged. &#8220;We don&#8217;t anticipate any trials,&#8221; Bukh said.&#8221;CONTINUED



[2] &#8220;Man who claimed to have escaped Auschwitz admits he lied for years&#8221;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/24/holocaust-survivor-lied-joseph-hirt-auschwitz


[3] &#8220;The Wannsee Conference Protocol
Anatomy of a Fabrication&#8221;
http://codoh.com/library/document/934/


[4] &#8220;Photographic Fraud by a Major Holocaust Organization&#8221;
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n5p-4_SWC.html


[4] &#8220;Simon Wiesenthal Center website uses newly altered 1944 Auschwitz photo!&#8221;
http://www.air-photo.com/english/1999_mark.html
&#8220;WW2 photos continue to be re-touched in attempts to support Holocaust 'eye-witness' stories:
1. In 1945 hundreds of civilian and camp photos were altered for the Nuremberg trials,
2. In 1978 Auschwitz air photos were marked for U.S. government publication, and
3. In 1999 the Auschwitz photo below was re-touched for a Holocaust promotion website."CONTINUED


[5] &#8220;Holocaust survivor scam nets $42.5 million, 17 charged in swindle: prosecutors&#8221;
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...-charged-swindle-prosecutors-article-1.453150


[6] &#8220;Where did the Shoah money go?&#8221;
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=3&ar=169


[7] &#8220;Holocaust & 6,000,000 Jews references from 1869 - 1945&#8221;
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth....jews-references-from.html?zx=c5a4b210806dd26a


[7] &#8220;The &#8220;Six Million&#8221; Myth&#8221;
http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth/


[8] "Breaking the Spell, The Holocaust: Myth & Reality" by Nicholas Kellerstrom --
https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Spe...spell&keywords=breaking+the+spell+kellerstrom

 

Nonsense

Yes there have been many pogroms against Jews throughout Europe but Nazi Germany was the first to execute a policy of extermination.

So 700,000 just dropped dead from Typhus during a year? Even if that was true then at the very least its criminally negligent.

Wonderful now you're trying to justify it. I should also point out that the Nazi's also recruited murderers for special police units. I wonder why.

More nonsense.
Its not even the correct year.

Your sites don't debunk anything. What they do is omit information and create supposition and on top of that they come from dubious organisations and individuals.

My god. No there isn't, even the above "source" doesn't say that at all.
Do you even understand English?

More nonsense. Yes there is evidence to suggest that the affadavit he signed was beaten out of him but the rest of what he has said wasn't. In fact after the trial he admitted to what he had done.
So that's rubbish from start to finish

So?

This is grasping at straws

Wow the IHR. An institution that's well known for lying and having lost a court case for its dishonesty

How on Earth did you survive as a teacher? I mean you don't use primary sources and you don't seem to understand the difference between a proven fact and supposition.
I mean there is no way that any respectable university would recruit someone like that.

We have been through this tons of times. Kollerstrom doesn't believe that the Holocaust did not occur as he only debates the numbers of those that died.
But even then he is still wrong as mass graves have been dug up and there is very strong evidence of lethal amounts of Zyklon B which was used to murder people.

 

More nonsense.
What your sources fail to include is that during the interview with Brunner that he was asked as to whether he had any regrets in which he responded with
"My only regret is I didn’t murder more Jews."
And also stated that he had "no bad conscience'' for ''getting rid of that garbage"

 

You are a joker! If there is the evidence then you won't find it hard to post a single link. .... You can't !!!

Is it not strange that in Winston Churchill, Charles de Gaulle & Eisenhower own post war memoirs NONE of them make any mention of gas chambers. That is because the holohaux was invented in the 1970s.

You are just a dupe & after so many years of lies spoon fed to you, you can't actually believe anything other than the big lie.

 

If you had paid any attention then you would know that I had. Does the Red Cross mean anything to you?

No. Not particularly

Can you prove that?

Why do people always insist on spouting out statements that clearly are about themselves? It really is an odd phenomenon

 

LOL you are so ignorant! The Red cross exposed the Holohaux years ago :

http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-judaic-holocaust-hoax/


What a numpty you are!

 

I doubt he is ignorant. He is one of those eager beavers hired by the Hasbara Committee. It looks like he has taken over from the monkey who hasn't been seen around here lately.

Thank you for the link, lunecat: http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/0...olocaust-hoax/
It is loaded with info, including from the Red Cross, which the unbiassed institute keeps mentioning, albeit his own corrected copy which conforms to the official holocaust story.

As long as the Germans acknowledge the holocaust and say they are guilty... why are we concerned?

 

Since you're unable to react to facts questions cited by 3 people with anything but insults, evasions, desperate cries of "Nonsense", & spurious, unsupported claims, you've accomplished nothing other than humiliating yourself with your dearth of genuine evidence & honest answers.


In reference to my earlier, credibly supported assertions,(below) your claim of "Nonsense" reveals only how little you know about the topic at hand:

You seem to confuse your personal, unfounded opinions with a genuine rebuttal.
For example: "Lunecat" noted the fact that Winston Churchill, Charles de Gaulle & Eisenhower make no mention of Gas Chambers which is compelling evidence that they did not exist in spite of your churlish dismissal of:

Likewise: your puerile dismissal of hard, verifiable facts as

and

clearly reveals that you are not interested in serious & factual debate but simply seem to seek the attention of better informed & educated adults.

The only thing you HAVE demonstrated is a penchant for insulting informed adults, how effectively some younger & gullible individuals have been indoctrinated in a critically flawed education system and how essential Free Speech is for the promulgation of the truth in America.

Please learn to think for yourself like the 8th Graders in the following incident:



&#8220;SHOCKistrict&#8217;s &#8216;critical thinking&#8217; assignment led at
least 50 students to conclude Holocaust never occurred&#8221;

http://eagnews.org/shock-districts-...tudents-to-conclude-holocaust-never-occurred/


EXCERPT " &#8220;Even many students who agreed the Holocaust occurred said there were good reasons to believe it had not or that elements of the historical record were actually hoaxes,&#8221; the Daily News reports.


One student declared there was no way the Holocaust occurred because the Nazis &#8220;would have had to have killed 187 people an hour in order to kill 6 million people. Therefore it is impossible.&#8221;

One student wrote that if the Nazis &#8220;would have even experimented these so called gas chambers the Nazis would have died also, so I do not believe in gas chambers.&#8221;

Another made a similar argument: &#8220;if gassing would have occurred everyone (nearby) would have died, because the floors had cracks in the floor and holes in the wall.&#8221;

Still another asserted &#8220;there is no significant cyanide traces in any of the alleged gas chambers. So any open minded person can easily be persuaded to believe that the gassings were a Hoax.&#8221; CONTINUED

 

No they didn't.
Go and check their website to see what they actually say and read their reports.
Why do you guys always insist on using 2nd hand information.

What a silly little smeg head you are.

 

Grau you lost this debate the moment that you started it and nothing is going to change.
So far not one of you has exercised even the simplest bit of common sense.
You guys live in your own world.

 

Three better educated people, two of whom CAN speak fluent German feel otherwise.
You are welcome to your lonely delusions, & hollow self declared "Victory" but the assessments of the 8th Graders I cited earlier reflect a better grasp of common sense than you've been able to demonstrate.

Come back when you really CAN "read German" & learned that that the history of WW 2 is far more complex than that related in your own High School indoctrination.

Meanwhile, the following is one of the many testimonies you CAN read that don't make it to the many ghoulish Holocaustian Theme Parks & you were certainly spared during your Holocostian indoctrination:

Dear Sir / Madam,
My name is Alexander McClelland I am an Australian veteran of WWII, a TPI (Totally and Permanently Incapacitated) and a survivor of a Concentration Camp.

Aged 19 I volunteered for the AIF and fought as a Bren Gunner in 2/1 Infantery Btn in North Africa, Greece and Crete where I was wounded and captured by German forces. I spent the rest of the war as a POW but due to my many escape attempts I was finally put into the TEREZIN Concentration Camp close to the Theresienstadt Ghetto in Czechoslovakia.

I have recorded my experiences in an autobiographical book entitled : 'The Answer -- Justice'. In 1965 I was featured in an award winning but historically inaccurate Australian television documentary on Theresienstadt called 'Where Death wears a smile'

I don't receive my TPI Pension because of the heavy wounds I received in the battle action on Crete. I get my TPI Pension because of the inhumane treatment I received in the Concentration Camp.

It is a mistake to believe that the Germans had enough spare manpower to staff and run the concentration camps. The Germans only ever guarded the outer perimeter of the camps, we Prisoners hardly saw German soldiers, so it was not the SS or German guards that beat me up daily.

No, the daily beatings that left me totally incapacitated, came from two fellow Prisoners called KAPOS.
Kapos (or Camp Police) had extra priviliges, such as their own room and they also had power, For example the Power to say who got to visit the Camp Sick Bay or the Camp Brothel, and because of the absence of the very disciplined Germans, these Kapos even had the Power over Life & Death.

The two Kapos that beat me daily, using a heavy wooden baton they called 'Herr Doktor' (The Doctor) were both fellow Prisoners, both were Jewish, one from Hungary and the other was, I believe, a Ukrainian. I was often witness when they dragged other hapless prisoners from their cells onto the 'Appelplatz' and beat them to death with 'The Doctor'.

So whenever I meet a ' Camp survivor' now, I look him deeply in the eyes to see what sort of a 'survivor' they are ... whether they were really a Prisoner just like me, or whether they were one of the many 'Privileged' ones who survived the war being more inhumane to other Prisoners than the Germans ever were.

As a matter of fact, it was a German SS Soldier who saved my life after the Kapos, who after beating me sent me outside the camp on a work detail, with a dangerously poisoned leg. The SS Soldier walking by, saw my mates helping me, came over and then gave me his medical kit.

I now look deeply into the eyes of the 'survivors', because I know that not all Concentration Camp survivors were innocent victims I know that a lot of the Prisoners were brutal and inhumane criminals.

The world has never been told the whole truth about what life in the Camps was like. All we ever hear or read in the media is , how bad the German guards were and how badly they treated their Prisoners. I was in more than 8 POW Camps and a Concentration Camp, so who would know the truth? Me or the Media!

sincerely
Alexander McClelland &#8232;PO Box 887 &#8232;Toronto NSW 2283 &#8232;Australia.

For more information about Terezin click here.
To read some evidence supporting the account by Mr. Alexander McClelland click here.

http://www.google.com/search?q="www...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

 

I don't think that Jazz can and you haven't proven it either.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

I never said that my German was fluent but it was enough to read what was written in that article.

Which just goes to support my position
Well done

 

[video=youtube;p_w4XUB-jt4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_w4XUB-jt4[/video]

I don't believe any of this, but this is what the historical revisionists think.

 

Hello, Grau...
have you checked your link? -->

https://www.google.ca/search?q="www...fe_rd=cr&ei=HvEfWLbsMIuN8Qe8k4KoBg&gws_rd=ssl

What the hell is that supposed to be?

 

I guess you read things into it that I didn't even notice!

The Holocaust: Based on a True Story ​

Truth, history, beliefs. These come to us by various means, few, if any, based on what might be called purposeful (to us) gathering of facts and dispassionate weighing thereof. Much of what passes within us as knowledge, belief, or just habitual supposition came to us almost willy-nilly, except for the pervasive influence of our environments, which in turn derive from the knowledge, beliefs or habitual suppositions of those around us starting, for most of us, with our parents.

Wittingly or otherwise, our parents pass on to us what they know/think in a million different ways, many based on what they say and how they say it (even about very peripheral subjects), and a great deal on how they act or react, particularly to what others say, and particularly to what within what others say is antithetical to them. We are spawned and raised in a sea of prejudice, misapprehension, fear, and even outright malice, some or all of which is fully justified by the prejudices, misapprehensions, fears and even outright malice with which those around us (and far away, as well) are spawned and raised.

Most recently, there was, for Jews, the National Socialist program of Jew-slighting that has been festooned in retrospect with the moniker “the Holocaust,” a grandiloquent term if ever there was one for the program by which the government of Germany sought to purge from its society the influence, and eventually the presence, of Jews within it. As Germany, under this same government, found itself on the losing side of a global scrum against it, matters took on a grievously more-serious aspect for everyone in Germany and the territories it sought to hold, and the particulars of the “true story” behind the Holocaust became grim beyond most people’s imaginings.

Imaginings. War, ethnic cleansing, and the supremely toxic mixture of the two, both challenge and invite imaginings as little else can. And World War II, culminating in the utterly unimaginable detonation of atomic bombs over Nagasaki and Hiroshima, challenged the imaginations of people the world over as they had never been challenged before. And, at the same time, offered opportunities to certain imaginative souls that had never been offered before, a cadre headed, perhaps, by the late Elie Wiesel, he of the burning pits into which Nazis threw live Jewish babies and other such phantasmagoria, for which he garnered a Nobel Prize.

Opponents of objective inquiry into the facts of this period, these places, and these groups have instituted criminal sanctions in most of Europe against such, and massive sanctions against journalists, historians and academics in general who would breach the ramparts they have erected in North America. They have managed this partly on the strength of sheer money and political power, and partly on the excuse that The Holocaust, like many a largely fictional movie or book, is Based on a True Story(ies).

There is/are true stories here, many of them tragic, most of them horrific, and all of them deplorable as deplorable can be.
And there is the tip of the wedge. Tragic. Horrific. Deplorable. And Based on a True Story(ies).

Yes, some of the stories are true (these are stories usually not even told). Other stories aren’t true as to the tellers, but seem to have been true as to those the tellers claim to have witnessed. Other stories, while not true of those claiming the experiences, are true to things the tellers might have heard, after-the-fact, or even contemporaneously. And some just aren’t true to much of anything, other than a general impression held by the teller, who is eager, and much-assisted, to impart it to others, who weren’t involved at all.

Myths grow of just such things. Christians battling lions in the arena. Christ on the cross. There were “peripheral” people in this story, and many, many others claiming, like Forrest Gump, to have been peripheral. I Saw Mengele. He Saw Me. I escaped with my life. So many others didn’t. Go ahead—heap upon me the sympathy and regret you would expend in behalf of the martyred millions. I can take it.
It goes on and on, like Randolph Hearst’s famous incitements to the Spanish-American War, but without (any single) Randolph Hearst.
Don’t be a chump. If you decline to be a chump, and tell someone you have done so, you will be called much worse than a chump. So, as is politically correct, don’t tell anyone. You will be as the child who, upon seeing the naked emperor in the parade, sees that the emperor has no clothes. But unlike the child, you will not proclaim, “The emperor has no clothes.”

Bless you. Your secret is safe with me. As for my secret … I’ve chosen to make it no secret at all. And I am, indeed, called all those terrible things.
But under the right social conditions, Based on a True Story morphs unseen into Unassailable Truth, truth, indeed, whose questioning becomes criminal racism in dozens of otherwise-civilized countries. Desperate and/or vicious, ever-vigilant “sponsors” are required for the implementation and maintenance of this transmogrification.

By Jett Rucker
Published: 2016-11-03
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Isn't that so true? We all see things differently, hear otherwise and read unwritten words others can't see.
The good old Truth is what the victors decide to write and tell about the events in accordance to their advantage. And that is the history being taught in schools to all children, so they will know and remember the manifold proven facts as experienced by so many people.

Let us all hope Mrs. Ursula Haverbeck will survive her stay in prison. Thank God, she is allowed to absolve the time in her native Germany and not in Israel.

 

All you have to do is read the orignal source.
Red Cross report of 1948 for example or maybe Bunte (1985)

From what I've seen from both Grau and Lunecat they seem to see things that simply aren't there which in any other context would classify them as magicians.

That's a matter of perspective

Why would she go to Israel?