Nazi murderers of Jews still walking around USA

You know how every year or so there's a scandal involving a Republican being caught with a gay lover, or one of them trolling for lovers in a bathroom, stuff like that? And they're the ones who are usually railing against gays and/or voting against gay rights? Or maybe a priest somewhere who's railing against gays then gets caught with a male of indeterminate age? Yeah, it's really interesting how people who throw around homophobic slurs the most tend to be - well, you know. Trying to hide something. It's really weird.

 

True enough. Republican or Democrat, government is filled with corruption. And it's common knowledge at this point, but people don't blink. Congressmen immune to charges against insider trading? Yawn...

 

What do you mean turned writer? He was always a writer.

And what? You are infereing he was a right wing Nazi, and you call him a liar? ............even for you these accusations are truly truly scraping the barrel

' Paul Rassinier is the generally acknowledged founder of scholarly Holocaust revisionism. Born in France on March 18, 1906, and trained as an educator, he taught history and geography at the secondary school in Faubourg de Montbeliard.

During the Second World War, he co-founded the "Libé-Nord" underground Resistance organization, which helped smuggle Jews from German-occupied France into Switzerland. As a result, he was arrested by the Gestapo in October 1943 and deported to Germany, where he was held prisoner until the end of the war in Buchenwald and Dora concentration camps.'

Why don't you actually read about these people yourself and read their works instead of just reading your mountains of debunking text books?


Paul Rassinier..... was arrested by the Gestapo in October 1943 and deported to Germany, where he was held prisoner until the end of the war in Buchenwald and Dora concentration camps......Rassinier was profoundly distressed by the many lies and myths about the concentration camps that were being circulated. He wrote:
"Then one day I realized that a false picture of the German camps had been created and that the problem of the concentration camps was a universal one, not just one that could be disposed of by placing it on the doorstep of the National Socialists. The deportees — many of whom were Communists — had been largely responsible for leading international political thinking to such an erroneous conclusion. I suddenly felt that by remaining silent I was an accomplice to a dangerous influence." Rassinier became increasingly skeptical of the reports of systematic killings of Jews in gas chambers:
"With regard to gas chambers, the almost endless procession of false witnesses and of falsified documents to which I have invited the reader's attention during this long study, proves, nevertheless, only one thing: never at any moment did the responsible authorities of the Third Reich intend to order — or, in fact, order — the extermination of the Jews in this or any other manner. Did such exterminations take place without orders? This question has haunted me for 15 years."
The number of Jews who perished in Europe during the war years, he concluded, could not have been more than about 1.6 million. Paul Rassinier

http://www.whale.to/b/rassinier_h.html


Rassinier died in the 60s, and never had the amount of material we now have to study, the official version being by 1960 that the gas chambers were all behind the then Iron Curtain thus forensics impossible to find and that all documents had been destroyed by the Nazis, so Rassiniers work did have some faults, not many though and his numbers are amazingly close to those done since by people with access to far far more material.

The latest study puts the number of Jews who died in the camps as 300,00 and that is of all causes.

Rassinier was the first to try too find out what really happened to the missing Jews in his book chapters 6 or 7, I forget and I have linked the book to you many times as well as links or references to others who have dealt with your missing 6 million.

There never were 6 million in the Germans sphere of influence there were probably only 3.5 million but then I gave that to you in another link you won't read.

 

that is a lie.

there were clearly more than 6 million Jews within the German sphere of influence,

 

No there were not

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6428


http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p335_Nordling.html

 

yes, there were.

more than 3 million Polish Jews.

600,000 German Jews.

900,000 Romanian Jews.

600,000 Hungarian Jews.

1.8 million Ukranian Jews.

450,000 Hungarian Jews.

350,000 Czech & Slovak Jews.

250,000 Austrian Jews.

150,000 Dutch Jews.

that is almost 8 million Jews right there and I haven't included the French, Belgian, Greek, Italian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Crimean, and Estonian Jews.

there were way more than 8 million Jews under direct Nazi control or direct Nazi influence.

 

The number of Jews under German administration can be deduced from pre-war Jewish population statistics, the Wannsee Protokoll, the Korherr Report from the Wartime German Office of Statistics and research, and by serious demographers as Prof. W.N. Sanning (Sanning, Walter N., The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. Institute for Historical Review. 1989. ISBN 0-939484-11-0. German translation: Die Auflösung des osteuropäische Judentum. 1983. © Grabert-Verlag, Tübingen. ISBN 3-87847-06-02.), dr. C. Nordling (The Jewish Establishment under Nazi-Threat and Domination, 1938-1945. 1990. The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 10, no. 2, p. 195, ISSN 0195-6752), Prof. F. Hankins, (How Many Jews Were Eliminated by the Nazis? 1983. The Journal of Historical Review, 1990. Vol. 4, no. 1, p. 61. ISSN 0195-6752), as well as surveys, studies and statements by other independent experts.
Jewish population statistics indicate at the beginning of the War (1939) around 9 million European Jews: 8,861,800, 8,939,608 (American Jewish Congress (figure) and 9.3 million. This also included Jews in the European part of Russia (3,020,143) and Ukraine. Historian Yehuda Bauer of the Yad Vashem memorial in Israel too spoke of nine million Jews in Europe (A History of the Holocaust, New York: Franklin Watts, 1982, ISBN 0-531-098621). This makes 9 million Jews in Europe in 1939 a fair assumption.


Poland was recorded before its division, including Jews in parts of Ukraine and Belarus, then belonging to Poland; according to the AJC a total of 3,113,900 Jews.

Far from all European Jews came under German rule. Prof. Sanning shows that late 1939 in the German annexed part of Poland, the factual number of Jews under German occupation were not 3,113,900, as Holocaust resources usually mention, but 2,356,900 less (!), being 757,000. This 2.3 million lower number can be derived out of the following facts:
1. Between 1931 and 1939 the number of Jews in Poland reduced with 480,900 (15.4%) due to Jewish emigration and high excess mortality, to 2,633,000.
2. Of these, 1,026,000 were in Soviet-occupied Poland, so theoretically 1,607,000 remained under German government.
3. Hundreds of thousands fled to Soviet territory right away (among them the late Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin), while the Germans also expelled large groups of Jews over the border. West German, Zionist, American and Polish sources leave no doubt that after the German occupation, only 757,000 Jews came under German administration (Sanning, p. 39 ff).
In Germany 1939 were in 240,000 Jews, in Austria 191,408, in Czechoslovakia 356,830 and in Danzig 10,448. This makes the number of Jews under German rule inclusive occupied half of Poland 1,555,686. Three years later, in 1942, caused by emigration, flight and other causes according to Sanning’s Jewish sources there were in Germany 164,000 Jews, 50,000 in Austria, 255,000 in Czechoslovakia and about 10,000 in Danzig, total 479,000, which reduced the factual number of Jews under German government in 1942 nearly 320,000 to 1,236,448.
An earlier war phase brought Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and France under German hegemony, where according to Jewish statements were 466,911 Jews. The factual number of Jews under German administration in 1941 became by that 1,703,359.
With the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Eastern Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and part of European Russia came under German rule. We reckon all 252,907 Jews from the Baltic States, notwithstanding indications that many managed to escape or were killed by local militias and retreating Soviets.
In Eastern Poland, Belarus and Ukraine less than 1 million Jews were present during the German advance of 1941. Of the original Jewish population there were large numbers (Sanning 1,550,000) deliberately or otherwise transferred Eastward by the Soviets. This totals the number of Jews under German regime at 2,956,266.
After the invasion of the Soviet Union ("Barbarossa") according to Sanning 80% of all Jews in the Russian front theatre were evacuated by the Soviets, so those never came into contact with German troops.

In December 1942 Soviet Communist David Bergelson, Zionist propagandist and secretary of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committees in Moscow, wrote (Sanning, p. 114):

"The evacuation saved the vast majority of Jews from Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania and Latvia. According to information from Vitebsk, Riga and other cities occupied by the fascists, there were only a few Jews when the Germans arrived. Thus a large part of the Polish and Baltic Jews was absorbed by the USSR. "

By shifting of the front deeper into Russian areas with many Jews, there was the Stalin Ukase of "scorched earth": significant groups fled further Eastward and many Jews were inclined in the Moscow-organized partisan army. The remaining number of Jews effectively under German rule varies by source, but according to Sanning was less than 1 million.
Adding up all other countries under German rule (Greece, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, according to Sanning’s Jewish sources total 1,047,400 Jews, the overall number of Jews under German regime derived from the American Jewish Committee and the Statistical Bureau of the Jewish Synagogue Council of America totals 4,003,666, barely 4 million.

The 'standardwork' by Wolfgang Benz, director of the German Office for Combating Anti-Semitism, whose numbers of Jewish victims one can be sure of not to be ‘antisemitic’, is not surprisingly ‘5.2 to 6 million murdered Jews’. The book appeared in 1991, eight years after Sanning, although Sanning was not mentioned in it and none of his detailed figures was overturned. Benz's book is full of double counting, false assumptions, errors and ‘mistakes’; so he called all 1939 Jews who in 1946 were not registered at their hometowns, "killed by the Nazis” and conceals 700,000 expatriate Polish Jews since 1931. In a sublime comparison of Sanning's work with Benz by revisionist Germar Rudolf, the Benz 'book is rightfully refuted as fraudulent. For those interested: Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis. W. Benz and WN Sanning - A Comparison. (Published in: Dissecting the Holocaust, The Growing Critique of 'Truth' and 'Holocaust', Holocaust Handbook Series, p. 181. Theses & Dissertations Press, PO Box 257768, Chicago, IL 60625, USA. ISBN 0-9679856-2-5. downloads of this and other revisionist works on Free_Downloads_from_VHO ).

Professor Sanning used Jewish sources only, because he considered Nazi sources (Wannsee Protokoll and Korherr Report) being (too) inaccurate and unreliable.
Nevertheless, even these too high estimations of the Nazi Wannsee Protokoll (3,836,500 under 'A', plus Vichy France) and Korherr Report (50% of 9,494,368, minus non-occupied Europe) the number of 4.5 million Jews under Nazi rule in Europe was not reached.
It is self-evident that if no more than 4.5 million Jews were under German administration the Nazis couldn’t have 'Six Million' Jews killed.

It shows "Six Million murdered Jews" as false propaganda.

2. Jewish-stated numbers of Jews in the World before and after the War

An approach based on the total number of Jews in the world neither comes near to 'Six Million' murdered Jews.
We assess the numbers of Jews in the world again on the basis of unsuspected Jewish sources: the World Almanac, featuring information from the American Jewish Committee and the Statistical Bureau of the Jewish Synagogue Council of America.

Before the war:
World Almanac 1929 (p. 727): 15,630,000
National Council of Churches USA 1930: 15,600,000
World Almanac 1936 (p. 74: 15,753,633
World Almanac 1938 (p. 510): 15,748,091

During the war:
American Jewish Congress Council of Synagogues 1939 15,600,000
World Almanac 1940 (p. 129): 15,319,359
World Almanac 1942 (p. 849): 15,192,089

After the war:
World Almanac 1947: (p. 74: 15,688,259
World Almanac 1948: (p. 849): 15,763,630

As shown, the numbers of Jews before and during the war, are mostly congruent and stable. Therefore, one may take as a fact 15.7 million Jews around the world shortly before the War, with a slight decline during the War.
Immediately after the War, in 1947, the same sources reported 444,271 Jews more as in 1940! The number of the Council of Synagogues too is 163,630 higher than that of 1939!
According to the World Almanac of 1947, the number of Jews in 1939 was 15,688,259. On February 22, 1948 the Jewish owned New York Times, gave the Jewish population of Palestine as 600-700,000; following the lowest number, it results in 16,288,259 Jews Worldwide. Nearly 600,000 more than before the war! So, Jewish statements from 1948 show nothing of 6 million murdered Jews."
Not surprising thus, the New York Jewish paper Aufbau from December 24,1948 dubbed the "Six Million Story "a pure fabrication." Authoritative experts after the War clearly not believed that 6 million Jews disappeared.
If between 1939/1940 and 1947 six million Jews were murdered, it is of course impossible that there were more Jews in 1948 than in 1940. With 6 million Jews murdered after the war, no more than 10,288,259 Jews could have been counted then. This was understood by the proponents of the Talmudic number either, which is why after 1947 drastically reduced numbers of Jews appeared on paper. Not only the numbers of post-war Jews were presented much lower, at the same time higher numbers of pre-war Jews were presented. Of course with no substantiation or reference other than in those days circulating astronomic death numbers for the camps. The manipulation of numbers of Jews in the world and Europe clearly is a post-war phenomenon.

Even if one argues that the numbers of Jews shortly after the war were impure or wrong, one has to explain what the causes were and why this was not indicated. And even if the numbers of Jews shortly after the war were wrong, the subsequent millions lower in 1947 must be supported by evidence. That never happened. Only 46 years later, in 1991, the fraudulent, demonstrably worthless work of Benz appeared, an example of Jewish Mathematics resulting in '6 million'.

The first differing post-war assignment came in the Almanac of 1949. Then the Jewish World population was set forth for 1947 as 11,266,600. This was 4,421,659 lower than the previous statement:
1939: 15,688,259
1947: 11,266,600
Difference: 4,421,659
But, even 4,421,659 less doesn’t make Six Million. What next?
Simple, the Almanac promptly gave higher numbers of pre-war Jews too:
in 1946 for 1939 still 15,688,259 Jews,
in 1949 for 1939 16,643,210 Jews!
Almost 1 million (954,951) more before the war! Added to the 'new' lower number of post-war Jews, now there were on paper 5,376,610 Jews 'disappeared'! This is the origin of the "5.4 or 5.7 million Holocaust murdered” nowadays parroted by official historians, not accompanied by a shred of proof.
The postwar manipulation shows that not WW II led to "Six Million Jews murdered”, but the Talmudic numerus fixus, slavishly accepted by the kin of Holocaust Court historians.
The chaos and arbitrariness of post-war numbers of Jews in the world is shown by the following:

Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951: 15,300,000.
Encyclopedia Britannica's 1955 Book of the Year 11,627,450 (All, synagogue member or not).
U.S. News & World Report, 1983: 16,820,850.
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: 18,080,000.
World Almanac, 1996, p. 646: 14,117,000.
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: 13,200,000.

Whoever wants to give any credence to Jewish postwar figures about numbers of Jews in the world, surely has a lot to explain.

from above link

 

its funny how Holocaust Deniers suggest a conspiracy to inflate pre-Holocaust Jewish numbers and deflate post-Holocaust Jewish numbers, therefore providing statistical evidence for a net loss of at least 5 million Jews.

meanwhile, they have no hard evidence for an actual conspiracy.

no names.

no dates.

no evidence of conspiratorial communications.

no evidence of conspiratorial planning.

no evidence of how they did it.

no evidence of when they did it.

no evidence of them working together.

nothing. nada. zippo.

what good is a conspiracy theory if they have no evidence of the conspiracy????

if Holocaust Deniers brought charges for this so-called conspiracy to commit statistical & historical fraud, their suspects wouldn't even make it past the Grand Jury as there is NO direct evidence against them!!!!!

 

prove it.

prove that this is where Raul Hilberg got his 5.1 million number.

My money says you have NO evidence.

 

bigoted statements like this PROVE that your ideas on the Holocaust are motivated by bigotry, hate, disrespect, and loathing for Jews. Not an honest and unbiased desire to understand the truth.

 

Pacifists don't write for the Vichy or soil form to take coin from SS Karl-Heinz Priester or his fellow travelers.
"Who says anarchy, says negation of government;
Who says negation of government, says affirmation of the people;
Who says affirmation of the people, says individual liberty;
Who says individual liberty, says sovereignty of each;
Who says sovereignty of each, says equality;
Who says equality, says solidarity or fraternity;
Who says fraternity, says social order.
By contrast:
Who says government, says negation of the people;
Who says negation of the people, says affirmation of political authority;
Who says affirmation of political authority, says individual dependency;
Who says individual dependency, says class supremacy,
Who says class supremacy, says inequality;
Who says inequality, says antagonism;
Who says antagonism, says civil war;
From which it follows that who says government, says civil war. Yes, anarchy is order, whereas government is civil war. ” -- Anselme Bellegarrigue

 

What a plonker ! Didn't he hold a government post somewhere in America ?

 

I think the issue is not the carnage you refer to, which is indisputable, but the attempted systematic, industrialized slaughter of an entire group of people whose only crime was being Jewish. The Jews were not combatants, they posed no threat to Germany whatsoever and, in fact, contributed hugely to Germany's prosperity. Couple that with the insane politics of a megalomaniac madman, Hitler, and you begin to understand why the event so horrified the world.

 

Please answer my question. How many do you think were gassed or shot? How many do you think were starved during forced slavery? How many do you think Mengele and the other sick deranged doctors killed? A hundred? A thousand? A million? Six million? How many? We can talk about the other human tragedies too; but I want to hear from your keyboard how many Jews you think died.

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Why do you think so many deny the Holocaust happened, or deny the Jews their pain?

 

You are denying Paul Rassinier? I have never come across any other exterminationist be as dishonerable as that before. I have heard many say he wasn't in a Death Camp so didn't know but never have I heard one absolutely deny him, a man who through choice crossed the Nazis, a man who could have ridden the War out with no troubles but instead through his sense of justice wrote against said Nazis and set up a network to smuggled Jews away.

In life we often find ourselves with strange bed fellows, so what? I too have often sided on certain topics with people with whom on other topics we are adverseries, that is perfectly normal and healthy and civilized.

 

Trying to teach a muslim some Shakespeare is like trying to teach a pig to fly. It cannot happen and in the end it will just frustrate you and the pig. Best to put him in your killfile and be done with it, IMHO.

 

I have given you links enough ......maybe later I shall find better ones. Now I'm sssshhh not really here, and have only 5 mins.

 

Do you even understand what is being refered too?

The prediction that Israelites may not return to Israel until 6 million have been burnt as an offering to God.

Which is why Zionists had been pushing the 6 million figure on the World since the end of the 19th century.

 

Our understanding of Anarchy has been changed ............. I wonder by whom?


It is the state of chaos which is the change toward order..

 

The acceptable concept of government is one of benign authority. That we are stuck with malignant wastrels , worldwide, is a crime of ignorance.

 

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word holocaust has been used in English since the 18th century to refer to the violent deaths of a large number of people, but the earliest attested such usage dates from 1671.[6] In 1833 the journalist Leitch Ritchie, describing the wars of the medieval French monarch Louis VII, wrote that he "once made a holocaust of thirteen hundred persons in a church", a massacre by fire of the inhabitants of Vitry-le-François in 1142.

In the early twentieth century, Winston Churchill and other contemporaneous writers used it before World War II to describe the Armenian Genocide of World War I.[7] The Armenian Genocide is referenced in the title of a 1922 poem "The Holocaust" (published as a booklet) and the 1923 book "The Smyrna Holocaust" deals with arson and massacre of Armenians.[8] Before the Second World War, the possibility of another war was referred to as "another holocaust" (that is, a repeat of the First World War).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Holocaust

 

Why would Rassinier need to "smuggle Jews away" if they were not in fear of their lives? After all there was no slaughter of the Jews according to your meticulous research, thus no need for them to be fearful and no need for "smuggling" them away from the warm, inclusive embrace of Nazism...

 

I understand why the world is horrified by it. I don't understand why it is the only tragedy discussed from WW2. Plenty of crazy people with crazy politics. Genocide's not a new thing either. I understand the scope of the killings is an issue, but there were larger killings of civilians going on at this time aw well. Perhaps they weren't penned up and killed, but I don't see that much of a difference between find and kill, and being imprisoned and then killed.

Again, for all the mentally unstable people who leap at anything anti-Jewish (not referring to this post), this is not denying the Holocaust.

I don't know. I didn't see any of it...

Who want's pain? There are plenty of dark incidents in history. I suppose the one the US (kinda) didn't have anything to do with is the one that's okay to sulk on, endlessly. I'm sure it must be hard for a people to have their history falsified or belittled, no matter how long ago it happened.

It's a song I hear all to often. Why do I think so many deny it? Who knows. They probably have a lot of reasons. Some people definiely just have a personal or emotional hatred for Jewish people. Some people might actually have valid criticisms where certain points of the official story of the Holocaust might not hold up so well against scrutiny. I find criticism of this event very valid, as I would find criticism of the extent of slavery, or the extent of the Indians destruction, or the British purgin of aborigines in Australia...and other places. It's why law enforcement allows re-evaluation of files...because the official word isn't always the real word.

 

Jesus, you link to garbage like this?



you've lost all credibility, buddy.

 

We Jews mourn our pain. We mourn the Shoah. We mourn the Pograms. We mourn how we were enslaved in antiquity. And we also are raised with the statement "never again". If we forget what happened we will never know the signs of these exterminations as they get ready to happen again. I know the Holocaust existed because when I grew up my Grandma told me of all her brothers and sisters, and parents that were executed in Poland. She is the only one that made it out of the ghetto and her family were shipped to death camps to be exterminated. My wife's grandmother was freed too from a camp by Russians, and she was told the truth. On my Mom's side my Great Grandfather told me stories. He was born in the late 1880's and his father told him the stories of how our family escaped the pogroms and made it to America. So I know these things happened. There are those on this site that belittle or minimize it. When I was raised I was told 6.75 million of my people perished. On this site we do not see people saying how tragic it was. We see sick people saying it was "only five million" or "only four million". When I say "is it not a tragedy if even it was only one million?" and these twisted f*cks say "oh now it's only one million?" People that are Jew haters make me sick. But this is the internet so we are all just nameless, faceless beings and therefore we cannot find them and take care of business. Maybe it's for the best, anyway. I expect that we are becoming more civilized and that ropes and oak trees are slowly becoming a thing of the past.