Nazi-style rule in Hong Kong; Pro-democracy books pulled from libraries by China

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  1. Scamander

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    Observe history in the making. Or rather, a repeat of history as books by pro-democracy figures have been removed from public libraries in Hong Kong in the wake of China's controversial new security law.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53296810

    This, then, is how China's dictatorship in Hong Kong truly begins. The same fascist rule that has dominated China for decades has now been introduced to Hong Kong, before the eyes of the world.

    Hong Kong, a city, not so long ago, free from the oppressive rule that burdens China, now subjected to the same book-banning that the Nazi's so thoroughly employed. In fact, they burned them.

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/book-burning

    As a sign of protest, HongKongers have left empty post-its everywhere. A silent protest against being silenced by China.

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    Of course, the essence of fascism is that any sign, perceived as protest by a ruling party, will be outlawed.

    The post-it has now become that sign.

    So, in the very near future, leaving empty post-its, somewhere in Hong-Kong, can get you arrested, deported to China and locked away forever in a detention camp.

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    2020. The year that fascism came to Hong Kong.
     
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    speaking of nazis, hitler learned his trade by observing america. nazi germany was the fruits of american slave society. does it make you proud to be part of hitlers master plan?
     
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    exactly!
     
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    and on that note, this thread is declared FAKENEWS!
     
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    That's right. As from now, in Hong Kong, by order of China and Xi Jinping, HongKongers are no longer able to choose their freedom of speech.
    Freedom of speech in Hong Kong, in the form of publishing, is now under control of China.

    Anything published, or already published, in Hong Kong, can banned if China considers it offensive. Books can be pulled from libraries, bookshops, perhaps even peoples homes, under China's new security law.

    Totalitarian rule means exactly that; Totalitarian rule.
    Which basically means no book (not to mention its author) is safe in Hong Kong it China decides the rules.

    As for fake news; that is exactly what Xi Jinping would have you believe; nothing is happening.

    So if you want to be his mouthpiece, go right ahead.

    The world knows the truth.
     
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    Nazi-style rule in Hong Kong; Pro-democracy books pulled from libraries by China

    I assume nobody is surprised.
     
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    Max profits made us enrich a communist state.

    We used to be against communism..

    But because of big business we now indulge them.. Crazy.
     
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    I am a bit surprised to see Hong Kong, a modern, western orientated, mega financial capital of the world, fall into the hands of China's fascist regime.

    We are not talking about some backwater town in a third world country being overrun by low-life rebels.

    This is Hong Kong.

    Imagine London or New York occupied by the Nazi's.
     
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    Hong Kong is Chinese not British and it is subject to Chinese law since the British lease ended.
     
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    Hong Kong enjoys (enjoyed) a special status under the Sino-British Joint Declaration which means people in Hong Kong enjoy freedoms and liberties that are otherwise not guaranteed on Chinese mainland.

    The Sino-British Joint Declaration is a treaty signed between the United Kingdom and China on Hong Kong under Chinese sovereignty.[1] Signed on 19 December 1984 in Beijing,[2] the Declaration stipulates the sovereign and administrative arrangement of Hong Kong after 1 July 1997, when the lease of the New Territories was set to expire according to the Convention for the Extension of Hong Kong Territory.

    The Declaration was signed by Chinese Premier Zhao Ziyang and UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher on behalf of their respective governments. It came into force when the instruments of ratification were exchanged on 27 May 1985, and was registered by the Chinese and British governments at the United Nations on 12 June 1985. In the Joint Declaration, the Chinese government stated that it would resume the exercise of its sovereignty over Hong Kong (including the British territories of Hong Kong Island and Kowloon, and the leased New Territories) from 1 July 1997, and the British Government declared that it would hand over Hong Kong to China on 1 July 1997.

    The Chinese government also declared its basic policies regarding Hong Kong in the document. In accordance with the "one country, two systems" principle agreed between the UK and China, the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) would not practise the socialist system in mainland China, and Hong Kong's existing capitalist system and way of life would be unchanged for 50 years until 2047.
    The Joint Declaration requires these basic policies to be written in the Hong Kong Basic Law.


    China has just thrown this agreement out of the window, like Hitler fooled Chamberlain with his signature of peace. Worthless in the end.

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    But it isn't like they are going to invade France, Hong Kong is part of China, it's theirs to deal with like any other province. That may be sad and we might all wish otherwise but it's the truth.
     
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    It's NOT theirs to deal with like any other province if the Sino-British Joint Declaration says otherwise. Period.
    What's unclear about that?

    Perhaps Germany should consider their WW2 surrender void as well?

    Let's resume the fighting!
     
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    I don't think any Western nation is going to war over Hong Kong because it IS Chinese and not British. the joint declaration would have come in handy in the early days of Coronavirus when TP was in short supply. It just is what it is. Would think it would benefit China to be restrained but they have limits.
     
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    People like @Woolley doesn't want to talk about Communism, but this (oppression) is what it is, it is what it does.... and it is what we are dealing with. Sticking your head in the sand only means you are positioned for a solid kick in the backside.
     
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    China couldn't care less how their interference affects the economy of Hong Kong.

    The first aim of China, by tradition, is to implement Chinese culture onto Hong Kong. Which means to enslave peoples minds

    That's the essence of Communism/Fascism. Only think how you are told to think.

    Being taught not to think for yourself. And risk getting arrested if you do. This is the fear people in mainland China live with on a daily basis.

    Fear of saying, doing, thinking anything that might offend the Chinese regime. And then face the consequences.

    All under the cover of a modern economy. But that's just for keeping up appearances.

    Fascism isn't constructive, only destructive. If China was as poor as a common housefly the ruling regime still wouldn't care. This isn't about money, it's about oppression. It always has been.


    This is the fate that awaits Hong Kong. (For the people who are not smart enough to leave now.)
     
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    We can agree that we don't like Communism either in China or here but that still doesn't change Hong Kong's position as being part of China and it will be brought into the whole in whatever manner China decides to use. The only thing that ever separated it was European colonialism. We might all like to see them remain largely autonomous and that may even fit Chinese plans in some way.
     
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    Let's wait until China invades Taiwan. Next on the agenda.
     
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    The state that most resembles China was the Soviet Union under Lenin's New Economic Policy. Same NEPmen, same controlled market where all roads lead to the central bureaucracy, same thin veil over the actual situation.

    The disctinction is Lenin's NEP was an abberation forced by collapse, whereas China has fully embraced theirs as a goal in itself.
     
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    They did indeed break the agreement, but Hong Kong isn't British, nor independent. The agreement doesn't say that if China breaks the deal, HK reverts ownership to the UK or something like that. The system was meant to be a one state, two systems, form of agreement. China broke this agreement, and if they get any sanctions for that - great (although I'd rather see them sanctioned for ethnic cleansing which I consider more severe, but one can sanction against both). The UK could freeze Chinese assets in UK banks, and encourage allies to follow suit, possibly. No one's going to war over Hong Kong, over Tibet, over the ethnic cleansing of Uighurs, nor will anyone go to war to defend Taiwan if China launches an invasion of that. That's the privilege of being a major world and nuclear power.
     
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    Those are two different situations and Taiwan is a bit better prepared.
     
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    It is all those things and all those things stand in the way of the Chinese agenda to dominate the world. If you are surprised then you don't really understand what China is.
     
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    It's amazing, funny, ridiculous, hideous, hypocritical, arrogant and ignorant ... how willing many Americans have followed Trump since he classified China as the new "Empire of Evil".
    This constant fire against China with often abstruse accusations is strange ... also the choice of words that is meanwhile made. Corona? Covid-19? Bullshit ... it's now the evil "China Virus"!

    Sure, China is anything but a saint and innocent ... because China undoubtedly makes a lot of evil too ... but ultimately often nothing else than what the USA did and continues to do. China has the same claim as a major power that the United States claims to have and that of course collides with each other.

    Only ... you come here with the removal of the "pro - democracy" books from the public books and equate that with the deeds of the Nazis. OK ... but then please go to Saudi Arabia, so your fat good friend in the ME and look for such "pro-democracy" books in book elibaries of KSA. You won't find a single one and the demand / asking for it can have bad consequences for you, because you question with it the power of the King and the Royal Family in KSA ... but of course that doesn't matter because Saudi Arabia = friend ... China = enemy! Am I right?

    Oh yes .... as far as your comparison with the Nazis is concerned. Somehow this whole rhetoric and action against China is quite comparable to the Nazis in terms of their war preparations before 1939 ... for example, first against the Czechs, then against the Poles.
    And even as far as the 2016 election campaign at Trunp was concerned, much is damn similar to what Hitler did in his election campaigns in the still existing democracy until the takeover in 1933.

    I know ... what can I think of such a disgusting and insolent comparison of Trump with Hitler ... but if the red MAGA cap is removed and compares openly and without bias, then these parallels are immediately apparent!
     
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    Being a bit surprised was meant cynical. Sadly, the opposite.
     
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    This is what happens when nations are attacked by foreign powers. People will always align with their own kind. If we had left Hong Kong alone, and not subjected it to our regime change NGO's so as to weaken mainland China, it would never have come to this. Let's not forget, the Chinese people have many embedded grievances with the Anglosphere, and that's something that can't be erased so easily.
     
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